Workplace Bargaining Agreements

[Flukey]

For anyone on the forum that thinks they have a good idea for work, I say do it, you will regret it if you do not.

Do not sit around thinking about how hard done by you are, get off your asses and better yourself.

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couldnt agree more, oportunities aint going to knock on your door, you have to make the effort

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Absolutely.

[stang]

LP,

I bet you could find a job if you wanted, it just might not be to your standard.

Washing dishes, packing boxes, sweeping footpaths are all jobs that pay you for a days work. Trying for jobs that are heavily applied for, should be done while you are earning a honest wage doing anything.

You could also look at starting up another business.  Buy a lawnmower and knock on a few doors.

There are many ways to make money, aside from sucking on the nipple of welfare and not having to do anyhting for it.

Oh and by the way, I left school at 15 (year 10) and got a trade then decided to get out and run a business, my current business I have owned 100% for the past 13 years.  I also hardly have any qualifications as I am too busy to study.

My first business was a car washing business that turned over $600 per week in cash when I was 13 and I employed 3 of my friends, it lasted 4 years.

My second was driving and cleaning boats, this lasted 4 years and turned over $4,000 per week, again employing family and friends.

Both businesses were started by me, because I could see a need and serviced that need. I never thought of them as a serious businesses, but they did make me and my firends money, and it was fun.

For anyone on the forum that thinks they have a good idea for work, I say do it, you will regret it if you do not.

Do not sit around thinking about how hard done by you are, get off your asses and better yourself.

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So Zap if your business went down tomorrow the first thing you would do is go and wash dishers or pack boxes etc. I doubt it, you haven`t worked all your life to get some where to finish up as cheap labour in a factory(that's the advise you gave lumpen, he had his own business was his own boss and whatever happen now his looking for a job so he should just lower his standard and get a job that will pay him $350 a week and work alongside the other 16 year old drop outs.)

Thanks to Johnny all of a sudden it`s ok to sack people over the age of 40 because there to old or get someone in and pay them poverty wages hell even Expensive Daewoo have brought people in from overseas to do factory work for cheap wages.

Shall we talk about IBM,TELSTRA ETC with call centres in india and sacking Aussie workers,yep this goverment is really looking after us.

One thing jonnies forgotten is if people can`t afford to put food on the table and prices keep going up and people keep losing there jobs whose gonna be able to buy things in the country to keep people in jobs in australia or is he just gonna sell australia off too china or something.

As I said earlier this IR crap hasn`t affected me I owm my own house,car,investment etc.But I do feel for people who may never be able to own there own houseor are being layed off so they can employ people on lower salaries.

Nothing personal here Zap, we`ve chatted before , but like everything theres always 2 sides to the coin. The boss who wants bigger profits and the employee who just wants a decent wage to provide for his family.The nsw & vic state govermnt have advised they won`t be implementing I.R on there staff as they beleive it to be unfair,There are bosses that also care about there workers and just as it doesnt effect me refuse to implement these reforms on there workers.

[Lumpen]

For anyone on the forum that thinks they have a good idea for work, I say do it, you will regret it if you do not.

Do not sit around thinking about how hard done by you are, get off your asses and better yourself.

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I never, ever say that I'm hard done by. I'm a relatively well educated white male from a relatively high income independent family.

I'm in the least hard done by group of all Australians.

I've run my own business, seemed like a great idea at the time. I'll do it again soon, I relished the experience.

I am also a left winger, I tend to speak vicariously for others, I don't experience one one-hundreth the hardships that many people do but I try to understand and be compassionate with what they endure.

Often the views I express are in defence of other people, not a whinge on my behalf.

Lumpy

[SHOCK]

Skock-Capitalist

Lumpy-Socialist

Hope we can still be friends

[Fat-Tony]

unfortuante as these job losses are, there were ways of getting rid of people before IR reform

[stang]

For anyone on the forum that thinks they have a good idea for work, I say do it, you will regret it if you do not.

Do not sit around thinking about how hard done by you are, get off your asses and better yourself.

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I never, ever say that I'm hard done by. I'm a relatively well educated white male from a relatively high income independent family.

I'm in the least hard done by group of all Australians.

I've run my own business, seemed like a great idea at the time. I'll do it again soon, I relished the experience.

I am also a left winger, I tend to speak vicariously for others, I don't experience one one-hundreth the hardships that many people do but I try to understand and be compassionate with what they endure.

Often the views I express are in defence of other people, not a whinge on my behalf.

Lumpy

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Damm lumpen and I thought you were colored with only one leg,one eye and walked around with a tin can. LOL

I can relate to what you typed above in a perfect world everybody would receive top dollar for a good days work . I think our parents were very luck because I think they were looked after much better than we will be we won`t even see a pension and do you really think our super will be there for us when jonny wants us to work till we drop, anyway I have never owned my own business but would like too but I have been in management and have always valued and stood up for my workers.

[FordT6]

Dont give in mate, negotiate with a union rep if it helps.

Edited 10/07/06 12:34 PM by FordT6

[Romulus]

unfortuante as these job losses are, there were ways of getting rid of people before IR reform

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True, but it's the manner in which they were introduced which is cause for concern. There was no mention of IR reforms prior to the last election. It was always John Howard's intention of changing the IR laws, but he never had the support in the senate. Fair enough if JH went to the election stating that he would do away with almost all the safety nets that 'average' workers enjoy....in the national interest of course.

[turtle33]

Do you reall believe that the "bosses" are sacking the good/valuable people? I have woked on wages, salary and for my self. The most coin I make is working for my self. I look after my good staff but im compleatly ruthless to the timewasters out there. These laws now enable me to piss off the "timewasters" that previously were untouchable. I agree that the new laws have over compensated for the previous crap laws. I have had an employee who was charged with fraud (workcover rip off at my expense) and under previous law I couldn't sack him. I will pay any one that works for me the minium that they will accept to be content in thier job, why should I pay them more? This country will go down the plug if we dont buck up and start producing. I agree with previous comments that everybody should be on production based contracts. If you produce u get paid, if u dont then u starve. This will encourage people to strive to be better. Im sick of people saying "its all right for you, you earn 6 figures plus" get over yourself for a second, where the fark were you when I was working 80+ hrs/week to stay afloat. Yeah I would stack boxes if I had to, suck it up work is work. We have a bad case of " the world owes me" in austrailia, well guess what I owe u nothin, I will pay my way just like any ABLE body worker should. (sick and elderly is a different matter)

[SHOCK]

unfortuante as these job losses are, there were ways of getting rid of people before IR reform

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Fair enough if JH went to the election stating that he would do away with almost all the safety nets that 'average' workers enjoy....in the national interest of course.

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He went in with the big scary GST a few elects ago as well and still kicked some arse. Dont know about you but my pay on the shop floor went up $150 a week with OT when that came in. More than enough to pay for the hike in food and every other thing that went up.