FPV TRANNY Im the one and only Donating Members 3,557 Member For: 20y 3m 8d Gender: Male Location: In my house Posted 25/06/06 07:55 AM Share Posted 25/06/06 07:55 AM Remember the first lot of PWR Intercoolers.Pressure loss issues So if it can play a part in lag due to filling a larger volume of air.Its been tested Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/26356-restriction-of-intercooler-pipe-under-headlight/page/2/#findComment-398542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP1D Member Donating Members 3,739 Member For: 18y 10m 26d Gender: Male Location: Sydney NSW Posted 25/06/06 08:07 AM Share Posted 25/06/06 08:07 AM Ah ok, didnt know about that... I was just thinking more of how the pipe would effect a stock set up. The PWR is massive compared to the stock IC isnt? Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/26356-restriction-of-intercooler-pipe-under-headlight/page/2/#findComment-398548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
F6 UTE - Track Bound EVO III - Member 3,367 Member For: 20y 4m Gender: Male Location: Strapped in and holding on Posted 25/06/06 10:53 AM Share Posted 25/06/06 10:53 AM rboksic said: bigger pipe work should increase lag as you have more volume to fill.←wrong.more resistance, more lag.less resistance, less lag.bigger pipe, less resistance, less lag. Maybe not more power, but better spool and response..Blow a baloon up thru a normal straw..Blow a baloon up thru a mackas thickshake straw..which baloon goes up quicker, the small straw, or the big straw..simple. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/26356-restriction-of-intercooler-pipe-under-headlight/page/2/#findComment-398638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP1D Member Donating Members 3,739 Member For: 18y 10m 26d Gender: Male Location: Sydney NSW Posted 25/06/06 10:57 AM Share Posted 25/06/06 10:57 AM F6 UTE said: rboksic said: bigger pipe work should increase lag as you have more volume to fill.←wrong.more resistance, more lag.less resistance, less lag.bigger pipe, less resistance, less lag. Maybe not more power, but better spool and response..Blow a baloon up thru a normal straw..Blow a baloon up thru a mackas thickshake straw..which baloon goes up quicker, the small straw, or the big straw..simple.←Well said. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/26356-restriction-of-intercooler-pipe-under-headlight/page/2/#findComment-398641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rboksic Donating Members 514 Member For: 20y 11m 17d Posted 25/06/06 01:04 PM Share Posted 25/06/06 01:04 PM RAP1D said: F6 UTE said: rboksic said: bigger pipe work should increase lag as you have more volume to fill.←wrong.more resistance, more lag.less resistance, less lag.bigger pipe, less resistance, less lag. Maybe not more power, but better spool and response..Blow a baloon up thru a normal straw..Blow a baloon up thru a mackas thickshake straw..which baloon goes up quicker, the small straw, or the big straw..simple.←Well said.←So you are saying that by fitting a 100mm pipe in place of the 50mm pipewont cause any lag because it can flow better? Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/26356-restriction-of-intercooler-pipe-under-headlight/page/2/#findComment-398693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP300 Donating Members 842 Member For: 19y 7m 2d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 25/06/06 01:11 PM Share Posted 25/06/06 01:11 PM Hi Rob ... you are going quick enough stock. You do not need to learn any more tricks ... Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/26356-restriction-of-intercooler-pipe-under-headlight/page/2/#findComment-398695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
F6 UTE - Track Bound EVO III - Member 3,367 Member For: 20y 4m Gender: Male Location: Strapped in and holding on Posted 25/06/06 02:18 PM Share Posted 25/06/06 02:18 PM rboksic said: RAP1D said: F6 UTE said: rboksic said: bigger pipe work should increase lag as you have more volume to fill.←wrong.more resistance, more lag.less resistance, less lag.bigger pipe, less resistance, less lag. Maybe not more power, but better spool and response..Blow a baloon up thru a normal straw..Blow a baloon up thru a mackas thickshake straw..which baloon goes up quicker, the small straw, or the big straw..simple.←Well said.←So you are saying that by fitting a 100mm pipe in place of the 50mm pipewont cause any lag because it can flow better?←To quote Simon from Nizpro, years ago......"The best size for a plenum is no plenum.. but that's not practical, so we make do with what we can"..... or something to that effect.obviously there is a fine balance between fill and efficiency. a 4" pipe in the place of a 1" pea shooter is not going to do much good.. except/but..............you have to remember with the piping increase comes a rise in boost pressure.Increased boost, increased volume.. Increased volume, decreased boost.. Air-con systems work on volume, not pressure.. air flow with volume, not pressure is more beneficial.. Decrease the pressure, increase the volume.. Less pressure on the turbo blades, the easier it spins, the easier/sooner it creates boost, the more boost, the more volume.. More volume more restriction..am I repeating myself yet.. Getting back to the balloon theory..The straw has to be of a volume whereas the balloon will still fill quickly, with minimal effort, yet still actually inflate the balloon and not leave too much volume of air in the straw.. If the lungs are empty, the balloon is half inflated and the straw is full, that's no good... Best scenario is, minimal effort, straw full and balloon inflated.. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/26356-restriction-of-intercooler-pipe-under-headlight/page/2/#findComment-398703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goobz Member 746 Member For: 20y 6m 4d Location: Sutherland Shire, Sydney Posted 25/06/06 09:25 PM Share Posted 25/06/06 09:25 PM I also think its something more along the lines of that the rest of the system is larger so the bottleneck creates a restriction, and lag. Removing it would increase flow and reduce backpressure on the turbo and lag. Enlarging the whole system though is different, which is more what you guys are talking about...Chris Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/26356-restriction-of-intercooler-pipe-under-headlight/page/2/#findComment-398728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAP1D Member Donating Members 3,739 Member For: 18y 10m 26d Gender: Male Location: Sydney NSW Posted 26/06/06 05:46 AM Share Posted 26/06/06 05:46 AM Goobz said: I also think its something more along the lines of that the rest of the system is larger so the bottleneck creates a restriction, and lag. Removing it would increase flow and reduce backpressure on the turbo and lag. Enlarging the whole system though is different, which is more what you guys are talking about...Chris ←Yeah that's what I was refering to... just removing the bottle neck and matching it to the rest of the piping Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/26356-restriction-of-intercooler-pipe-under-headlight/page/2/#findComment-398879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macka'sxr6t Member 1,480 Member For: 20y 10m 19d Location: Mildura Posted 26/06/06 10:16 AM Share Posted 26/06/06 10:16 AM RAP1D said: macka said: about 45mm inside dia macka←Farout, not even 2inches... is there room to sqeeze a bigger pipe in?←The biggest pipe that I've been able to get under the battery tray with out bashing and cutting anything is 65mm outside dia. 63 inside dia. It's a very tight squeeze but it will go. Or you take another path and fit 3" macka Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/26356-restriction-of-intercooler-pipe-under-headlight/page/2/#findComment-399009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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