Ford Excuse

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Got me f'ed how or why - but I still would suggest it's coolant.

The sad part is unless there's something obvious happening then your freindly dealer would have NFI as well!

[DBOSS]

DBOSS,

that's odd, even with Dimitri as your service advisor? or did you manage to get stuck with someone else?

It was the service manager that came up with the lame excuse

I've taken the ute to him many times and it's always come away with all I'd expect...hmmm,

Everything was fine till I took it to Ultra Tune instead of City Ford for a service which was $160 cheaper than Ford

was it a female that called you to see if everything was satisfactory?

Yes but she was the custom service manager and have since offered me a 40% discount on my next service but I never have and never will get Ford to service my cars

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DBOSS,

that's odd, even with Dimitri as your service advisor? or did you manage to get stuck with someone else?

It was the service manager that came up with the lame excuse

I've taken the ute to him many times and it's always come away with all I'd expect...hmmm,

Everything was fine till I took it to Ultra Tune instead of City Ford for a service which was $160 cheaper than Ford

was it a female that called you to see if everything was satisfactory?

Yes but she was the custom service manager and have since offered me a 40% discount on my next service but I never have and never will get Ford to service my cars

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Please don't talk while we are interrupting

Sorry to hear of your woes, but it's hardly suprising. Bunch of f*cking morons.

[DBOSS]

No big deal Tab I've had enough Fords to know how they work but it was just the "we cant machine premium brakes" comment I had'nt heard of before

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So are your old brake pads wedged firmly somewhere now?

[cobrav8]

Dboss, I had an Escort club car a few years ago that had metalking pads fitted - always squealed off and on. I had discs machined, removed the ant-rattle shims, replaced all the piston seals, etc etc.

Occassionally a fix such as a disc skim would sort it for a while, but it would come back.

The thing that finally fixed it - was a product that was like a rubbery glue that effectively glued the back of the disc pad to the caliper. Basically it was designed to pull the pad back with the caliper a bit better (as normally your pad is basically knocked back and pushes the caliper back), so that the pad doesnt wriggle forward and squeak against the disc, particularly with the harder compound pads.

I dont remember the brand - but I guess any brake place would have it. It was a black rubbery glue. When it came time to replace pads - it just pulled off - a bit like chewing gum. You picked off the residue, and put new stuff on for the next set of pads.

[replicant]

Pad 'knock off' (as opposed to knock off pads) occurs because as the rotor wears, the pads have further to travel to have effect. When the driver releases the brake, the normal spinning (radial) motion and the longitudinal twist (as the caliper is usually only attached on one side to the hub/carrier you get a twisting action - which also manifests itself in the hub and bearings too) are reduced and the caliper moves back to its normal position relative to the rotor.

Think of the twisting force if you tried to stop a grab a bicycle tyre by closing your hand on it and it will give you an idea of what I mean.

But because of the twisting movement, pads don't normally wear evenly and wear at an angle. That means the rotor will push the pad back on the piston (or pot) further into the brake caliper. This means that you end up pushing further to get the rotor to brake each time (progressively worsens) and then you use more fluid and hence the brake pedal travels further.

This tends to be worse with larger rotors and calipers because the brake forces are heightened and all of this unsprung weight tends to pitch/yaw when you drive on real roads with bumps in them (and there's even more load with big wheels on the hub and its bearings).

A byproduct of this is all that squealing (and eventually vibration) due to the uneven wear... and the rotors tend to wear unevenly as when you actuate the brake it tends to hit one smaller spot (a bit like flat spotting a tire) which gets progressively worse.

There are products that allow for some disc float - often these come from motorsport applications (eg AP do strap drive discs) or disc bobbins... From memory, that's part of the reason why most race cars don't have power assisted brakes so the driver is aware of the additional travel and also the forces involved in the braking system are much more progressive...

[XRBloke]

Ergh my Car got damaged while at the dealer yesturday, had to get the left hand weathershield replaced as it was coming unstuck and flapping when driving, they used a screw drive to remove it.

The top half of the door frame has to be repainted, along with the the black trim being replaced and a 3rd new weathershild, as I pulled the new one they put on last night off to see how much more damage they did.

Id say they wont get much change out of $400 to get it fixed.

Very dissapointing.

[Fat-Tony]

I think I will only be taking my car there for the first free service then they can get lost after hearing all these stories, ohh and warrenty work. I personally am 100km shy of recieving the Ford treatment, so the only thing I can comment on is when my father and a work associate had their cars serviced at one particular dealership and every time the cars went there any money in the car somehow went missing, and when the service manager was informed about this the response was ohhh nothing we can do about this.