Tuning Software

[R UTE]

Was about to book in to get a capa tune, when I my mate tells me that the tuning software they use on his LS2 (VCM suite) is going to be available for fords in a few months. He thinks that the software is better so im just wondering if I should wait or just get the capa tune? Does anyone know if the VCM Suite will be better.

[senna]

I'm already having a nervous breakdown trying to decide what mods to do, who to do them etc. The one thing I was sure of was CAPA edit, now there's an alternative, fantastic :pulease:

[dingah2]

This has been a bit like the APS Edit saga as the VCM Suite was supposed to exist at the beginning of this year some 5 months ago........? Add to that the months of trial and error by new operators and you might be better off thinking Edit my friend.

Dingah

[2fardown]

I'm with dingah. Go the capa edit.

[FPV329]

Go Edit mate, awesome and it's here now, no pie in the sky.

If in the future VCM turns out to be the bee's knee's, you upgrade when you can afford to, like we all do with eveything.

[SavageF6]

The bottom line: doesn't matter what tool the tuner uses (Edit/VCM), a good tune is a good tune. VCM is easier to use (for the tuner!) from what I've heard, but does THE SAME THING as Edit. ie, they both create custom tunes to be uploaded into the computer.

The only thing that matters is the capability and skills of the tuner. Frankly, I don't care if they use Edit or VCM (or a voodoo ritual) as long as they deliver a good tune.

Here's the important part - Neither VCM or Edit dictates the quality of the tune you get. The guy making the changes, and tapping on the keyboard does.

The two products are merely the means by which the tuner makes the changes, and gets those tunes into your car. VCM's easier from a useablility point of view than Edit perhaps (for the guy doing the tuning!) but they do the same thing.

[Lawsy]

Oh good, I was getting worried that everyone was feeling a little stupid tonight....

Basically, you can use a hand held torque wrench to torque down some bolts, or you can use a torque limited rattle gun...

Obviously, the rattle gun is going to be slightly easier, but if they both provide the exact requirement for the job, in the end did it matter?

No, that's what hes saying. So get the Edit NOW from a good tuner, otherwise you'll shoot yourself for being such an idiot for waiting when you find this out the hard way (and probably pay more).

[SavageF6]

Good analogy

[dingah2]

No quite true but agree your sentiments guys. THe graphical interface for VCM Suite is light years ahead of the CAPA Edit....that would likely have some impact in some tuners' favour, but familiarity with the car, its software and the many, many variables and their quircks and interactions is what makes the real difference....and the Edit has been around long enough for some to develop a real appreciation of what can be done both safely and not so wisely and that takes time.

Dingah

[gogo]

Actually,

the Advantage software (Edit) does provide a graphical interface as well, it is just most tuners use the data tables as it provided a very clear indication of the relationship between values, and allows multiplication of segments of the table (ie if you want 5% more boost across a range of rpm/loads).

Fundamentally, both packages are impacting the same base tables within the factory ecu, so results should be the same for the same changes as others have already noted.

Also as others have noted, Tuners now have over 18 months of experience with the Capa ford flasher, and over that time the functionally available through via advantage has expanded considerably. This process will continue as tuners find limitation to what they want to acheive.

Even if VCM suite is released, it is likely that it will take some time to catch the capability of the now reasonably mature Advantage. I would not be waiting an indeterminate amount of time to be amongst the first test pilots for the application of VCM in falcons, when there is a robust and proven solution available now that should yeild as good (and probably better given the functionality of Edit and the tuners experience) results.

Also as others have indicated, the tuner is the most important part of the equation, so if you want to mod, forget about VCM and do it - you will wonder why the heck you waited!!!

Cheers,

Ben.