Advice On Turbo 6

[DBOSS]

  MrBean said:

quite a few knowledgeable guys here....

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Hey who you calling nollajabull buddy

[axr-jet]

  MrBean said:

rofl @ turbotrana

But, to be honest, I always like to over-engineer the bottom end, especially rods and mainbearing caps - that way you are quite safe when boosting.....

That type of horses would be a waste, and I doubt a straigt 6 will survive the torsionals on the crank with those kinds of loads acting on it....I think it will snap. Under those loads it winds up and down like a corksrew.....

V8's are much better for that application, but certainly the best is flat engines.

But, nice to poke in here and chat with the guys, even if to discuss color-schemes - quite a few knowledgeable guys here....

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GET A LOAD OF THIS GUY

[loopism]

  axr-jet said:

GET A LOAD OF THIS GUY  

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Don't mind him ....

[F6 UTE]

Mr Bean, no need for dialing in your cam's. The pcm allows for variable cam timing on these engines, on the fly.. Hence Ford use the same cams in a base model XT N/A car as they do in there turbo variants.. Software might be a bit primative at the moment but they tell us the ability will be there to contrrol the cams independantly.. ( if not already ) from aftermarket tuners.

The question is, once you build this beast of an engine, will the hardware you choose to tune it with be as adapt as the factory pcm once edited??

[Lawsy]

  axr-jet said:

  MrBean said:

rofl @ turbotrana

But, to be honest, I always like to over-engineer the bottom end, especially rods and mainbearing caps - that way you are quite safe when boosting.....

That type of horses would be a waste, and I doubt a straigt 6 will survive the torsionals on the crank with those kinds of loads acting on it....I think it will snap. Under those loads it winds up and down like a corksrew.....

V8's are much better for that application, but certainly the best is flat engines.

But, nice to poke in here and chat with the guys, even if to discuss color-schemes - quite a few knowledgeable guys here....

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GET A LOAD OF THIS GUY

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MrBean, don't wait for your email notification. Goto the nizpro website, find there phone number and give them a call directly. Or just drop by there shop.

You seem to know what you're doing, your post was a text book example of what you would want to do on a grumpy, old school V8 build, but you'll find that alot of it is simply not required on this engine. You will have a bullet proof bottom end with alot less modification, and you'll still have plenty of fun and headaches putting it all together yourself, so don't worry about that part....

A few things to note:

You'll be able to run the standard computer, custom tuned via the CAPA Edit. It can be tuned to perfectly fire larger, more capable injectors with fine atomisation.

You'll find plenty of information on how strong the bottom end can get, information on the right pistons, rods, beams and bolts, as well as cam profiles (see BCL's car, you'll probably want that cam profile for over 400rwkw, note that the power range is moved up around 1000rpm with that profile, but the off boost power is also increased... Win win.) from the boys at nizpro...

You'll basically be able to source everything from or through nizpro and other members/sponsors/affiliates etc, of the forum...

I'd also suggest just going out and getting yourself a 2nd hand XR6T ute that's in good condition, with everything in perfect mechanical order... I don't know if there are any around, but you might even find a BF ute 2nd hand at a reasonable price... But I'd say that would be a pretty hard find, seeing as the BF hasn't been out all that long...

Good luck with it all mate and keep us all updated, its about time another project hit the forums... We've heard basically nothing from BCL, spiro or that guy from america for far to long...

[MrBean]

rofl@axr-jet and loopism :flowers: just teasing Mates - unfortunately I have a too good sense of humor - me being a Dutchmen from deepest darkest Africa. Take me with a pinch of salt

@ F6 UTE: What you're sayong is true, and with VCT you certainly won't need to degree cams, I was not aware that Edit would allow some adjustment/alteration of std cam "curve"

In this case the factory PCM would do a better job than most aftermarket units. Do you know if the service port on these factory management systems on the Falcons have ODB-type interfaces?

If so, I can build a nice ODB interface and play a little.....

@ lawsy: Ta, I have been registered - actually a quick, painless process, indicative of Nizpro's level of Service - seems so certainly

I'll have a peek at BCL's setup, and probably discuss a little with him regarding cams - I guess already the cam will allow for better exhaust duration and lift vs standard cam, to minimize restriction in this critical area, and an ideal ratio would be 75-80% of inlet volumes.

In n/a cars this is never the case. I may look at getting rid of std exhaust manifold as well, and have a custom branch done - but this I will confirm with Simon/Nizpro.

Wrt a 2nd hand XR6T - well, I have been at Ford this afternoon, testdriving one, 2003 model, 58k on the clock, body in excellent shape, clean car, they want $33k for it.

I also had a look at a new F6 for $61k - is this a good price? I am seriously considering buying this over a 5-year period, with suitable deposit - no lease here, I like to own the vehicle.

So yes, in the end, I will probably take the F6, and buy a spare motor to tweak to hell and back - I have a new Company car, so I can play with the UTE, which will be for my personal pleasure.

Don't get the wrong impression guys, no sh*tloads of money here, just a few savings, and bloody hard work. But, I am appraoching the 40's, and would like to look back one day and say I have enjoyed life to it's fullest.

I luv power, jeesh.....forgive me ....hehe

[Lawsy]

  MrBean said:

rofl@axr-jet and loopism :flowers: just teasing Mates - unfortunately I have a too good sense of humor - me being a Dutchmen from deepest darkest Africa. Take me with a pinch of salt

@ F6 UTE: What you're sayong is true, and with VCT you certainly won't need to degree cams, I was not aware that Edit would allow some adjustment/alteration of std cam "curve"

In this case the factory PCM would do a better job than most aftermarket units. Do you know if the service port on these factory management systems on the Falcons have ODB-type interfaces?

If so, I can build a nice ODB interface and play a little.....

@ lawsy: Ta, I have been registered - actually a quick, painless process, indicative of Nizpro's level of Service - seems so certainly

I'll have a peek at BCL's setup, and probably discuss a little with him regarding cams - I guess already the cam will allow for better exhaust duration and lift vs standard cam, to minimize restriction in this critical area, and an ideal ratio would be 75-80% of inlet volumes.

In n/a cars this is never the case. I may look at getting rid of std exhaust manifold as well, and have a custom branch done - but this I will confirm with Simon/Nizpro.

Wrt a 2nd hand XR6T - well, I have been at Ford this afternoon, testdriving one, 2003 model, 58k on the clock, body in excellent shape, clean car, they want $33k for it.

I also had a look at a new F6 for $61k - is this a good price? I am seriously considering buying this over a 5-year period, with suitable deposit - no lease here, I like to own the vehicle.

So yes, in the end, I will probably take the F6, and buy a spare motor to tweak to hell and back - I have a new Company car, so I can play with the UTE, which will be for my personal pleasure.

Don't get the wrong impression guys, no sh*tloads of money here, just a few savings, and bloody hard work. But, I am appraoching the 40's, and would like to look back one day and say I have enjoyed life to it's fullest.

I luv power, jeesh.....forgive me ....hehe

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Well you're in the right place then

[Kimberley Scott]

I for one am looking forward to what you come up with Mr Bean. Please keep the forum up to date on progress.

Scotty

[MrBean]

Hi Kimberley,

Mmm - hope you don't mind it being a V8, as I signed for a Boss 290 on Saturday - planning on either Turbo or Vortech action anyway

Should be interesting none the less.....

Thanks for the interest.....

[Kimberley Scott]

  MrBean said:

Hi Kimberley,

Mmm - hope you don't mind it being a V8, as I signed for a Boss 290 on Saturday - planning on either Turbo or Vortech action anyway

Should be interesting none the less.....

Thanks for the interest.....

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No I dont mind at all. Another great Ford out on the road, is all UI care about.

Scotty