98% Of Bf Turbos Auto?

[SavageF6]

I agree with everything you just said replicant

[Mildman]

Wow that's a serious reply replicant - which I completely read too.

I'm leaning towards the auto now, Saturday's drive should seal it....

With a dedicated circuit car....err not a Ford....I can live without heel toeing every gear change in my daily, and the auto will pull the car trailer with less clutch smoke than the manual.

It's another step down the compromise of going from a ricey sports cars to a hybrid sports car / family car / cruiser that the XR6T is.

I'm starting to see that auto as the best of both worlds, just like picking the XR6T has been the best of both worlds - performance and comfort.

If I wanted race car like suspension, comfort and handling I'd drive a race car.

Thanks for the input replicant as always I appreciate it and the XR6 Turbo community.

[replicant]

No worries... only thing I seem to notice is that when I post a reply the thread seems to die.

Anyway, it's down to your own preference - but given you have to tow a track car (which is apparently not a product of the Blue Oval) then the ZF is going to make life easier... and you can go nuts on a track with the circuit racer.

Having said that - the cars I find very odd to pedal are the CVT cars. CVT because I've always associated planting my foot on the go pedal and a rise in engine revs with acceleration... the bloody things feel like the clutch is always slipping and are confusing for an old greybeard like me.

I kinda know that at just under 2 grand the XR6T was close to the legal limit audibly and off the tacho... and in one of my old cars that 4 grand in fifth was a neat 140 - which was handy as this was about peak torque and I had another 2 and a half grand to get to peak power which I couldn't quite get to in fifth.

[Iconic Bionic]

It does sound a touch high, but most fleet buyiers, cops etc are getting the aitos as it is mandatory. I went for the auto cuz the new 6 speed box is awesome!!!!!!!!!! Better than any manuel and had me converted after only one lap around the block.

No regrets for me, I love first gear off the line, though I do f*ck it up at times and forget to change.

[johnnywishbone]

Hi all, first post.

As with a lot of other members here, I have taken a BF XR6T auto for a drive from the dealer. I was not impressed. In my opinion the shifts were far to slow. I understand its not a true tiptronic box, just an auto with an electronic command to change gears. I'm glad I've got the manual.

[tmac450]

  johnnywishbone said:

Hi all, first post.

As with a lot of other members here, I have taken a BF XR6T auto for a drive from the dealer. I was not impressed. In my opinion the shifts were far to slow. I understand its not a true tiptronic box, just an auto with an electronic command to change gears. I'm glad I've got the manual.

←

Well you must have done something wrong as the whole reason I didn't get a manual is that the gates are too slow and quick shifting is inpossible, the ZF is much fasterm it changes as soon as you flick the lever. The ZF is a true tiptronic, the old 4 speed is just an auto with an electronic command, maybe you frove a BA.

[SavageF6]

  tmac450 said:

I didn't get a manual is that the gates are too slow and quick shifting is inpossible...

←

Nothing a Wog 'bangshift' or Mal Wood short throw can't fix

Once you've got one of those, the only disad with a manual is boost dump on changing gears, and being totally NA on launch.

[ktford]

  johnnywishbone said:

Hi all, first post.

As with a lot of other members here, I have taken a BF XR6T auto for a drive from the dealer. I was not impressed. In my opinion the shifts were far to slow. I understand its not a true tiptronic box, just an auto with an electronic command to change gears. I'm glad I've got the manual.

←

Shifts are quicker than any manual driver here, all racetracks will support that, by the way nice first post

[Mildman]

  tmac450 said:

Well you must have done something wrong as the whole reason I didn't get a manual is that the gates are too slow and quick shifting is inpossible, the ZF is much fasterm it changes as soon as you flick the lever.  The ZF is a true tiptronic, the old 4 speed is just an auto with an electronic command, maybe you frove a BA.

←

Tmac

I've owned an XR6T 6spd manual BF for the last year - and have now test driven 2 XR6T ZF autos. Driven them to within an inch of their (and my) life - and finally I'm convinced the auto can shift faster than me, downshift mostly better than me too. It definitely is more economical than the manual and a smoother ride too.

To be honest the manual is feeling a bit clunky by comparison.

I am now gong to order a XR6T BF 2 with the 6 speed auto!

The only reason I had left to drive a manual is I like changing gears and heel toe shifting....I now save that for the circuit car - so I've run out of reasons to own a manual!

I think there is little technical superiority arguments left for the manual and all that is left is personal choice.

I appreciate the feedback from this community and understand why so many of you are supporting ZF auto!

[Iconic Bionic]

  F6_Tornado said:

Personally I prefer the Auto over the manual.

I had the BF Tornado 6 speed manual for 9 months with some 300rwkws + and it was great. I then purchased the BF 6speed Auto which has the same 300rwkws+ and there is no comparison whatsoever.

At first the auto feels just like any other auto but as the minutes, hours and days go by you soon realize this is no ordinary auto and it is very smart indeed. It does however take time to be able to work with it and get the best from it and as such you can drive it just like a manual.

The main benefit of it is it spends 99% of its time in Lockup so none of the power train loss like the conventional auto.

An example of this is my BA manual went 208rwkws on the Dyno and on the exact same dyno my BF Auto went 226rwkws. Now this would normally be the other way around.

Another example is My old T3 Pursuit Ute would only go into Lockup in 4th (using 4th as an example) @ 100% throttle @ 207kmh whereas the BF goes into lockup instantly you change gears.

I can say without any hesitation that this auto would beat the manual hands down not only in a straight line but in whatever situation you like to put it. At first I didn’t think so but as this transmission is so smart you do need some time to learn how it works and what it can do, then work with it.

What you cant do is compare this transmission to anything in an Australian car before the BF and as such comparing the 6 speed auto to a BA 4 speed it just like comparing apples to oranges.

Yes I agree that the manual is better than a 4 speed transmission hands down.

Yes I agree that the six speed Auto is better than Both the six speed manual and as such the 4 speed auto.

Like anything you need to have tried both before you condemn them and spend more than 5 mins in one to get to learn yourself.

Too many posters here who are one eyed and never even tried one yet are keyboard experts and unless it’s got the third pedal your nothing but a steer’r.

It doesn’t take to much brain power to push the clutch in and count to six!!

To get a six speed auto to sing it will take a lot more brain power and hands on to be able to make it boogie when you so desire with much greater results.

Is it 2006 or are we still in the 70’s?

 

←

Well said. . .nad totaly agree

At first the auto feels just like any other auto but as the minutes, hours and days go by you soon realize this is no ordinary auto and it is very smart indeed. It does however take time to be able to work with it and get the best from it and as such you can drive it just like a manual.