jetute Donating Members 4,553 Member For: 21y 14d Gender: Male Location: brisbane Posted 18/04/06 04:19 AM Share Posted 18/04/06 04:19 AM Great result savage!As for injectors, I know on most of the BA XR6T's they seem to run out of injectors around the 250rwkw - with a couple of freaks like Jacks car doing more.This, and the high stock figures from some of the BF typhoons would suggest that the stock injectors at tlat for the typhoons have a slightly higher capacity, although those more in the know than I are saying otherwise...Either way - great result! Cheers,Ben.← absolutely... although I remember a certain member saying that you cant make an injector flow more then its capacity... does its capacity become more on a car with the F6 badge?? seems that way I remember SIXRT getting laughed at for claiming 268 rwkw cant wait to see a few more in this power category ... put to bed some of the crap that floated around some time ago.←The thing that is most interesting is that the BF typhoons that are getting tunes done are all making big power. There is always variation in any part - ie whilst an injector will have a nominal capacity, there is likely to be some variation in actual flow - hence one of the contributing factors as to why some cars will make more power than others.I am definitely not questioning or trying to undermine a great result for Savage - more whether Ford are playing games and have 'tweaked' injector capacity to acheive such great results with some consistancy.Either way the BF typhoons seem like an extra tough car straight from the factory producing top power figures and some great times at the track. all good for us as car enthusists and for getting some additional horsepower for relatively low $! cheers,Ben.←I knew it.... but I still want the flow test jkEDIT: this is post is in response to savages straw post... and I quoted the wrong post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F6BF Member 438 Member For: 19y 2m 3d Location: Sydney Posted 18/04/06 05:40 AM Share Posted 18/04/06 05:40 AM Great result savage!As for injectors, I know on most of the BA XR6T's they seem to run out of injectors around the 250rwkw - with a couple of freaks like Jacks car doing more.This, and the high stock figures from some of the BF typhoons would suggest that the stock injectors at tlat for the typhoons have a slightly higher capacity, although those more in the know than I are saying otherwise...Either way - great result! Cheers,Ben.←absolutely... although I remember a certain member saying that you cant make an injector flow more then its capacity... does its capacity become more on a car with the F6 badge?? seems that way I remember SIXRT getting laughed at for claiming 268 rwkw cant wait to see a few more in this power category ... put to bed some of the crap that floated around some time ago.←The thing that is most interesting is that the BF typhoons that are getting tunes done are all making big power. There is always variation in any part - ie whilst an injector will have a nominal capacity, there is likely to be some variation in actual flow - hence one of the contributing factors as to why some cars will make more power than others.I am definitely not questioning or trying to undermine a great result for Savage - more whether Ford are playing games and have 'tweaked' injector capacity to acheive such great results with some consistancy.Either way the BF typhoons seem like an extra tough car straight from the factory producing top power figures and some great times at the track. all good for us as car enthusists and for getting some additional horsepower for relatively low $! cheers,Ben.← Guys I dont think its the injectors giving the bf all that power as the N/A xr6 - xr6t and f6 all run the same injectors.I believe the reason is that the bfs are running different cam, cat , extra knock sensor and different map to the ba for euro 111 regs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageF6 Donating Members 1,622 Member For: 20y 9m 28d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 18/04/06 06:21 AM Author Share Posted 18/04/06 06:21 AM Hey that straw idea is a real good one! - I can see it now - new XR6T 'blown' accessories, could rig it up like the water for the supercar drivers... :msm: I don't know about the octane boost though - the delivery mechanism seems like a real pain the A$%#... ← I knew it.... but I still want the flow test jkEDIT: this is post is in response to savages straw post... and I quoted the wrong post←No worries Jet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageF6 Donating Members 1,622 Member For: 20y 9m 28d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 18/04/06 06:27 AM Author Share Posted 18/04/06 06:27 AM Guys I dont think its the injectors giving the bf all that power as the N/A xr6 - xr6t and f6 all run the same injectors.I believe the reason is that the bfs are running different cam, cat , extra knock sensor and different map to the ba for euro 111 regs.←There ya go, I'm pretty sure that's a complete list of the changes that went into BF output wise. FPV said they lost power initially with Euro III compliance, and it seems that their 'compensations' tipped the scales in the other direction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAPHOON Donating Members 1,776 Member For: 21y 7m 19d Posted 19/04/06 03:41 AM Share Posted 19/04/06 03:41 AM The injector is still the injector. Based on the threads and public floggings from not so long ago this should not have been possible. The power produced by Savage(lucky b@stard)D's leaves little doubt that it is. The new gearbox may have a little less driveline loss, but it would not account for the bigger numbers being achieved now.Higher stock power is pretty much a no brainer as FoMoCo has probably "tweaked" the boost/timing/fuel tables for a little extra performance. You can produce it without advertising the new output levels. Afterall, the Japanese manufacturers have been doing it for years with their performance cars.During editing, the tuner will stretch the limits of the componentry to a higher plain, until one or more of the components reaches its safe limit. Therefore, if the injectors remain the same, then the power output should not move by much.So is the new level of maximum power on standard injectors lifting due to a changed spec in the injector itself? Or, is it due to additional power being unlocked with the use of the editing software, as tuners become more familiar with all of its features?More likely the latter, which is great news for all of us!Congrats again Savaged, I bet the power upgrade has transformed the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2MUCHKW Member 350 Member For: 18y 9m 27d Posted 19/04/06 10:55 AM Share Posted 19/04/06 10:55 AM Guys I dont think its the injectors giving the bf all that power as the N/A xr6 - xr6t and f6 all run the same injectors.I believe the reason is that the bfs are running different cam, cat , extra knock sensor and different map to the ba for euro 111 regs.←There ya go, I'm pretty sure that's a complete list of the changes that went into BF output wise. FPV said they lost power initially with Euro III compliance, and it seems that their 'compensations' tipped the scales in the other direction?←Hi SavageD,Also the BF PCM's independent variable valve timing would have a large impact dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordak Member 1,226 Member For: 20y 8m 6d Posted 19/04/06 10:58 AM Share Posted 19/04/06 10:58 AM Guys I dont think its the injectors giving the bf all that power as the N/A xr6 - xr6t and f6 all run the same injectors.I believe the reason is that the bfs are running different cam, cat , extra knock sensor and different map to the ba for euro 111 regs.←There ya go, I'm pretty sure that's a complete list of the changes that went into BF output wise. FPV said they lost power initially with Euro III compliance, and it seems that their 'compensations' tipped the scales in the other direction?←Hi SavageD,Also the BF PCM's independent variable valve timing would have a large impact dont you think?←Simon.......is that you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAPHOON Donating Members 1,776 Member For: 21y 7m 19d Posted 19/04/06 10:58 AM Share Posted 19/04/06 10:58 AM Guys I dont think its the injectors giving the bf all that power as the N/A xr6 - xr6t and f6 all run the same injectors.I believe the reason is that the bfs are running different cam, cat , extra knock sensor and different map to the ba for euro 111 regs.←There ya go, I'm pretty sure that's a complete list of the changes that went into BF output wise. FPV said they lost power initially with Euro III compliance, and it seems that their 'compensations' tipped the scales in the other direction?←Hi SavageD,Also the BF PCM's independent variable valve timing would have a large impact dont you think?←I believe this feature was also available with edit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2MUCHKW Member 350 Member For: 18y 9m 27d Posted 19/04/06 11:09 AM Share Posted 19/04/06 11:09 AM Guys I dont think its the injectors giving the bf all that power as the N/A xr6 - xr6t and f6 all run the same injectors.I believe the reason is that the bfs are running different cam, cat , extra knock sensor and different map to the ba for euro 111 regs.←There ya go, I'm pretty sure that's a complete list of the changes that went into BF output wise. FPV said they lost power initially with Euro III compliance, and it seems that their 'compensations' tipped the scales in the other direction?←Hi SavageD,Also the BF PCM's independent variable valve timing would have a large impact dont you think?←I believe this feature was also available with edit?←Independent variable cam timing is a BF PCM feature only I have been told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageF6 Donating Members 1,622 Member For: 20y 9m 28d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 19/04/06 11:34 AM Author Share Posted 19/04/06 11:34 AM Sure does drive like a new beast Raphoon As for the Independent VCT, I remember reading that the BA F6 had this, while the BA XR6T didn't. However, I believe the BF XR6T inherited the Independent VCT, and the BF F6 certainly retained it.So, for the XR6T, Idependent VCT was only a BF feature out of the factory. Dunno if it can be edited into a BA, that'd be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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