First Trip To Wsid

[geea]

Fill did you run with Traction control and AC off?

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I was going to go back and edit my post as I was sure someone would ask this! The answer is no, neither the traction control or A/C was on.

I have a custom cat as part of the full exhaust system but have not replaced valve springs or actuator. I was planning on that (and saving) for my next mods.... valve springs, actuator, fuel pump and 300rwkw tuned in Melbourne while down for the BVW2.

Just on another note, I had the car tuned to 270rwkw about 6 months ago when I did the initial edit, exhaust, injectors. This was done by a different tuner than the one that has most recently tuned the car. The dyno attached is the original tune. This kind of demonstrates that my car is putting out more than 270rwkw and should be getting better times/speed on the 1/4 mile just based on power and other peoples times and speeds.

I then added the 2nd (typhoon) cold air intake and wog intercooler myself a few weeks ago and wanted the car tuned for these mods.

That brings me to my current tune. An extra 9rwkw on top of my original tune by adding 2nd CAI & intercooler.

What I am thinking at the moment is I have spent near $5k on modding the car in Sydney just to get a low 13, when all I really needed was a decent custom tune from a decent tuner to get me a 12 second car.

Finally, I find this interesting. Chopper is running very similar mods to mine except for chip vs edit and he has done the fuel pump. (and removed the back seat!! just kidding chopper) On the same night on the same track he was running a 12.8 vs my 13.2. He also has 290 or so rwkw and I am only getting 279. WTF.

I am soon going to decide the best advice for people is that if you live in Melbourne get your car edited, if you live in Sydney get it chipped.

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Getting it chipped is not the answer and Choppers car isn't doing the times or MPH of a 290rwkw car. A car with Choppers power should be running high 11's. Is it possible that you haven't got the correct tune flashed in?

When you have your car done in Melbourne I'd recommend definately doing the actuator and if your able the valve springs and pump too. This will give you over 300rwkw's and a car running 11's. If you don't have a trans cooler get one too.

Geea.

[fill]

Trans cooler done.

I reflashed after the first run as I was afraid that maybe my economy tune was somehow still on after seeing the 13.4. It was definetely in the right program for the last three runs I posted.

Edited 06/04/06 12:16 PM by fill

[ford number 1]

I still cant understand how a badly prepared track during mid week would affect times done in a XR6T unless its putting out 300+rwkw and using standard tyres..

Im sure if cars can do 8sec times on 26x8.5inch slicks than XR6T's shouldnt be having any trouble..

[F6 UTE]

imo, those tunes won't make a fast car. Peak power comes on too late and isn't held for any great deal of time.

2c anyway..

[ford number 1]

Sorry to hijack...The only way to solve this "slow track" belief is for Extreme F6(Simon) to come to Sydney and tune some of these cars and take them out there to see what they do as he would have a very good idea of what the tunes will produce down the 1/4..

I remember reading about Simon was planning a tuning trip to Sydney mid-late last year and I'm sure others would be keen for him to try and do it.

Edited 06/04/06 12:45 PM by ford number 1

[Geeseman]

Getting it chipped is not the answer and Choppers car isn't doing the times or MPH of a 290rwkw car. A car with Choppers power should be running high 11's. Is it possible that you haven't got the correct tune flashed in?

Craig your car ran 12.3 second passes at best at WSID and you claim to have 330rwkw. Adding to that you've run hundreds of passes by your own admissions. Surely you should have run an 11 on this track if it isn't any slower then...

Oh, and your car runs XEDE, same as choppers. Sure, it uses edit as well, but that won't make any difference to WOT tune and MPH over XEDE.

Lets keep this realistic. It appears WSID is a slower track for a number of reasons.

Making statements that people should be doing 11s on 290rwkw at WSID just doesn't have any backing.

[Geeseman]

You cant blame the track try blaming the false dyno sheets ,there has been 4 sec passes at Wsid and 10 sec T's(none with uni-jip though)

I ran  the same time and MPH at WSID that I ran at Heathcote about 6 weeks earlier

Yeah, post the time slips then Jeff.

BTW, the orange car of C&V ran 10s pass with unichiped XR6T at WSID. They are proffessional racers though with plenty of experience.

Hunted again...

[Eugene]

I see the big problem being no low end to mid range power, it would be like a light switch to drive.

I pulled up a sheet from my car, power was 287 max on this sheet, at 102 kph your car is running 160 rwkw, mine has just over 210rwkw

same again at 122 kph, your has about 208rwkw, mine at 124 kph has 255 rwkw.

I know different dyno's, different days etc, but that is a big difference accross the board.

the earlier sheet also showed a peak of 7000nm on your car at about 3000rpm, mine at that point has over 9800nm

that is where the difference is, not peak, but low to mid range.

my 2c worth.

PS, my UTE ran 12.8 at 111mph with 254 rwkw (xede) stock dunlops and a 2.3 sec 60ft time.

[XR6ISM]

Getting it chipped is not the answer and Choppers car isn't doing the times or MPH of a 290rwkw car. A car with Choppers power should be running high 11's. Is it possible that you haven't got the correct tune flashed in?

Craig your car ran 12.3 second passes at best at WSID and you claim to have 330rwkw. Adding to that you've run hundreds of passes by your own admissions. Surely you should have run an 11 on this track if it isn't any slower then...

Oh, and your car runs XEDE, same as choppers. Sure, it uses edit as well, but that won't make any difference to WOT tune and MPH over XEDE.

Lets keep this realistic. It appears WSID is a slower track for a number of reasons.

Making statements that people should be doing 11s on 290rwkw at WSID just doesn't have any backing.

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I have to agree, Craig ran a slower time here.....somebody mentioned the track being on a slight downhill angle....that was the old track the new one is not.

Furthermore, out of curiosity, didnt BCL run his car at wsid and only manage a 12 or 13 second pass ??? I know his car is manual, but the point is that I think WSID is a tough track to get a good time on.

[geea]

Getting it chipped is not the answer and Choppers car isn't doing the times or MPH of a 290rwkw car. A car with Choppers power should be running high 11's. Is it possible that you haven't got the correct tune flashed in?

Craig your car ran 12.3 second passes at best at WSID and you claim to have 330rwkw. Adding to that you've run hundreds of passes by your own admissions. Surely you should have run an 11 on this track if it isn't any slower then...

Oh, and your car runs XEDE, same as choppers. Sure, it uses edit as well, but that won't make any difference to WOT tune and MPH over XEDE.

Lets keep this realistic. It appears WSID is a slower track for a number of reasons.

Making statements that people should be doing 11s on 290rwkw at WSID just doesn't have any backing.

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Steve when I raced at WSID I had 328rwkw's with an XEDE only tune. this was 12th Jan 2005. The car had just driven up from Melbourne and I was using my Nitto's which are no where near as good as the MT ET Streets. The air temp was 29C. My best run was 12.23@119.91mph with a 1.995 60'. I think that at the time my best time in Melbourne was 11.8 not sure though and that would have been on a cold night. I also ran a 12.01 at Willowbank a week latter on a cooler night.

There is a big difference between an editted car and a chipped car when it comes to racing. With the edit your able to take out alot of the protections that slows the car down when racing. This wasn't available to me when I ran in Sydney due to the edit not ebing released yet. Street tuner told me that on my Previous race tune, the one that ran 10.68@128 that there was no protection at all and that it was similar to tuning a car with a dissy and carbys. Obviously you wouldn't tune a car like that for day to day driving but for short bursts on the 1/4 I think it's ok.

My mph of 119.9 when I raced in Sydney is that of a car with around 300rwkw's with edit. My xede tune would have lost the other 30rwkw's due to the heat probably which the xede couldn't alter. With a car tuned to race with edit the power loss wouldn't be as much due to the heat.

We will know what effects the different tracks have soon. After the BVW2 alot of Sydney cars will have times from Calder and Heathcote and will be able to compare these times with future times from WSID. This will resolve the issue once and for all.

Geea.