Pinging, Pinging And More Pinging....

[jetute]

I like to describe it as a couple of midgets in yuor engine bay throwing gravel up at the underside of the bonnet

[sutty]

  XXXR6T said:

Yeah I guess mis-diagnosis is possible... but pinging is quite distinctive and a completely different sound to valves staying open.

For the record, if you are not sure what pinging sounds like, imagine pouring a bag of out onto a concrete surface. Valve springs open sounds like low frequency rumble through the exhaust and degraded performance.

I agree. The point I am trying to make is that maybe Rob knows the difference, but judging from previous posts, maybe he doesn't either.

Look, it could well be pinging - could be the tune - could be fuel - could be something else altogether. The FACT is "we" don't know. It's all conjecture.

I think a number of people are too quick to "blame the tuner".

[xlr8ed]

Your all welcome to sit on the fence and point fingers. but I dont know another shop where without being asked the staff will stay all night to sort out an issue with a clients car. FIST (my company) has dealt with more XR6T's then most of the shops in QLD. We have seen from 163rwkw to 205rwkw on std cars and have been able to try all the different mods that are available.

you all have to understand that a car that was on the bottom end of that scale does not respond as well to the mods as the others. with robs car it was certainly no at the top of that scale. it didnt make power after the first tune here and even after being run on the ford scan computer it didnt show any errors. however when my staff did the valve springs we found there was a melted connector inside for the vct. which was clearly the cause from the first tune of retarding timing, but did not show on ford scanners or our own data logger.there is much to be said for checking everything twice.

when the valve springs were done it did have the modded retainers fitted along with edit and 968's. we are not blaming the cat as an issue to why this car has not made as good power as others.

the whole way through this I would like to thank sutty/phoon/mika/harbs/scotty/shazza and the others (sorry if I did not mention you but you know who you are as I have personally thanked each one of you) for continuing to support fist.

robs car has an underlining issue. this is very true and I (the director) of fist explained this to rob when he picked up the car. my tuner von even printed out the edit sheet to show how robs boost duty cycle was. the car is already at 98% cycle.

it was explained to rob that the car wont make more boost until a new actuator is put on to resolve this issue.

it is possible that there is a fuel issue, but much more likely that it is just a bad batch of fuel. but we have always offered without question if you are not 100% happy please come back and tell us. let us fix it for you. and in almost every instance there has been no further charge to the client.

the passion that my team has to see everycar go out of here right is unbeliveable, to work for over 40 hours straight with out complaintant is unheard of these days. but we all feel the same. do the best work we can and if people want to complain and bad mouth us so be it. it is their loss not to have taken the time to come and meet us and at least have a chat rather then being a keyboard warrior without the full knowledge of a situation.

I would like to thank all of the fisty boys and congrats again to sutty for cracking the 11's and sticking with fist to let us prove the job could be sorted with ease when we all communicate.

cheers

alistair

director

fist performance and audio

[Paradoxx]

Good stuff xlr8ed, not bagging your company out at all though, more just an alert to see that there is something that needs further investigation. I can only ever speculate especially since I am on the other side of the country. I am very interested to see what the cause of this is. To your knowledge, if it was dodgy fuel, wouldnt the ECU retard timing accordingly and stop pinging before it occurs?

You say the PCM hasn't shown any error codes... maybe there is a fault that isnt registering? Has the O2 sensor been tested and checked? Maybe it is not giving the ecu the correct reading and allowing it to run too lean?

[jetute]

  xlr8ed said:

Your all welcome to sit on the fence and point fingers. but I dont know another shop where without being asked the staff will stay all night to sort out an issue with a clients car. FIST (my company) has dealt with more XR6T's then most of the shops in QLD. We have seen from 163rwkw to 205rwkw on std cars and have been able to try all the different mods that are available.

you all have to understand that a car that was on the bottom end of that scale does not respond as well to the mods as the others. with robs car it was certainly no at the top of that scale. it didnt make power after the first tune here and even after being run on the ford scan computer it didnt show any errors. however when my staff did the valve springs we found there was a melted connector inside for the vct. which was clearly the cause from the first tune of retarding timing, but did not show on ford scanners or our own data logger.there is much to be said for checking everything twice.

when the valve springs were done it did have the modded retainers fitted along with edit and 968's. we are not blaming the cat as an issue to why this car has not made as good power as others.

the whole way through this I would like to thank sutty/phoon/mika/harbs/scotty/shazza and the others (sorry if I did not mention you but you know who you are as I have personally thanked each one of you) for continuing to support fist.

robs car has an underlining issue. this is very true and I (the director) of fist explained this to rob when he picked up the car. my tuner von even printed out the edit sheet to show how robs boost duty cycle was. the car is already at 98% cycle.

it was explained to rob that the car wont make more boost until a new actuator is put on to resolve this issue.

it is possible that there is a fuel issue, but much more likely that it is just a bad batch of fuel. but we have always offered without question if you are not 100% happy please come back and tell us. let us fix it for you. and in almost every instance there has been no further charge to the client.

the passion that my team has to see everycar go out of here right is unbeliveable, to work for over 40 hours straight with out complaintant is unheard of these days. but we all feel the same. do the best work we can and if people want to complain and bad mouth us so be it. it is their loss not to have taken the time to come and meet us and at least have a chat rather then being a keyboard warrior without the full knowledge of a situation.

I would like to thank all of the fisty boys and congrats again to sutty for cracking the 11's and sticking with fist to let us prove the job could be sorted with ease when we all communicate.

cheers

alistair

director

fist performance and audio

good post alistar

[gogo]

  jetute said:

good post alistar

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

... been saying that a bit lately...

[Romulus]

How many tuners doing Ford tuning have had prior tuning experience to SCT Advantage? What other products have they tuned? I for one have 5 years experience with LS1 Edit, and Autronic prior to that.

Should we start a thread listing tuners and their knowledge on different products? I really think that would give the general public an idea on who's who of the tuning industry and what products they've used.

I think a pattern may appear on who's getting good results and who's not. It might also show up the fly-by-nighters.

Edited 21/03/06 03:46 AM by M6 XR6T

[shockF6]

  sutty said:

What irks me is that people are quick to jump in and blame "the tuner" for what the end user perceives to be the problem.

could it be because many of us have used more than one tuner and know all too well that some tuners will make a car fell like factory (with more go) and others make it feel like a poorly modded car.

im not saying that you should always blame the tuner, just pointing out that the tuners are modifing pages worth of values in the edit software and if a tuner is changing something that they dont quite understand because the car is not behaving like a normal edited T, then its quite possable that a diferent tuner will get around the problem in a different way, hence the view of try a diferent tuner.

the bottom line is if your tuner can't/wont tune your car to your satisfaction then you should try someone else for a 2nd opinion.

[GOLDIE]

  M6 XR6T said:

How many tuners doing Ford tuning have had prior tuning experience to SCT Advantage? What other products have they tuned? I for one have 5 years experience with LS1 Edit, and Autronic prior to that.

Should we start a thread listing tuners and their knowledge on different products? I really think that would give the general public an idea on who's who of the tuning industry and what products they've used.

I think a pattern may appear on who's getting good results and who's not. It might also show up the fly-by-nighters.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Having know the fist boys for close to 3 years now I can tell you that they do know what they are doing and are not fly by nighters at all.

They have been tuning all sorts of cars for a long time.

Just look at some resaults jeff's phantom and white xr6 t just for starters have had some of the highest power tunes in them way before a lot of others even got close.

I believe that they will fix rob's car as they have done a lot of other peoples cars.

Ian

[jetute]

  GOLDIE said:

  M6 XR6T said:

How many tuners doing Ford tuning have had prior tuning experience to SCT Advantage? What other products have they tuned? I for one have 5 years experience with LS1 Edit, and Autronic prior to that.

Should we start a thread listing tuners and their knowledge on different products? I really think that would give the general public an idea on who's who of the tuning industry and what products they've used.

I think a pattern may appear on who's getting good results and who's not. It might also show up the fly-by-nighters.

Having know the fist boys for close to 3 years now I can tell you that they do know what they are doing and are not fly by nighters at all.

They have been tuning all sorts of cars for a long time.

Just look at some resaults jeff's phantom and white xr6 t just for starters have had some of the highest power tunes in them way before a lot of others even got close.

I believe that they will fix rob's car as they have done a lot of other peoples cars.

Ian

im with goldie.... infact my car is there now and I have 100% faith in the guys.. but I guess that comes from spending time at the workshop and been witness to a lot of the action and getting to know the boys...