Is It Worth Challenging A Multanova?

[F6 UTE]

I reckon you were overtaking, took your eyes from the road and didn't see the camera.

[EvilDaifu]

  Lightning said:

I will check the photo (meant to today, but slept in) and see if it fits the ONLY situation I can think of (overtaking lane).  If not, I will play it by ear and explore my options.

You'll probably find it does not matter if you are over-taking or not at the time. In the eyes of the law, if you really were doing what they pinged you at whilst over-taking, that's still speeding.

Now that's interesting that you say you've still got all your points. You may want to plead guilty and so long as you not received a speeding fine for a long time (usually 2 years for less than 10km/h over or 5 years if between 10km/h - 15km/h - but in your case because they allege 16km/h over I'd quote as many years as you can) you can ask for a caution.

Here is website that I found which you might like to look at

http://www.policespeedcameras.info/laws_vic.html#first

I reckon, do check out the photo of the alleged speed offence. It'll prove if you were over-taking or not. Might even show some other car in the shot which may help your argument.

Oh, and don't get me wrong, I understand you feel wronged because you're pretty sure you had your CC set to the legal limit (I'm assuming) that is 110km/h. So, I guess, post to the policespeedcameras forum about what happened and see if anyone on that forum can help you if you still want to pursue it.

[Lightning]

  F6 UTE said:

I reckon you were overtaking, took your eyes from the road and didn't see the camera.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Don't know where utopia is in your case, but it's dual carriageway at the point that they say they took the shot. No need to overtake (with the foot down, anyway) there. Just hang back, if both lanes obstructed, wait for the right lane to become clear and pres "RES" :-)

Lightning...

[Lightning]

  EvilDaifu said:

You'll probably find it does not matter if you are over-taking or not at the time.  In the eyes of the law, if you really were doing what they pinged you at whilst over-taking, that's still speeding.

Accepted. Not my point, if that was the case I'll not contest and will pay as a fair cop.

  EvilDaifu said:

Now that's interesting that you say you've still got all your points.  You may want to plead guilty and so long as you not received a speeding fine for a long time (usually 2 years for less than 10km/h over or 5 years if between 10km/h - 15km/h - but in your case because they allege 16km/h over I'd quote as many years as you can) you can ask for a caution.

Got one a few months ago, $50 and no points (3km/h over, if I recall correctly). Remembered the circumstances of that one and 'happily' paid it.

Thanks for your comments.

Lightning....

[IH8TOADS]

No offence but Just go check the photo, if your the only car in the photo then your screwed. I've been screwed before and lost my licence as a result.......of course no one believed me even the judge despite the cop getting the street and car wrong. Like I said if the photo cant get you out of it then you will have to wear it.

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  ZAP_F6 said:

Cobra,

Of course we all make mistakes and this is why we are human and will always find ways to kill ourselves, but my issue is with the way the "road toll" issue is treated.

Instead of education, we get punnishment, but if we know no better, punnishment will not be effective.

If ALL drivers were made to do a theory and driving test every 5 years and also do a car control and advanced driving course, we would all be better for it.

Teaching people how a car reacts in a slide, at speed, at a emergency stop is a mandatory excercise in my view as most people will only experience this 1 second before they run up the back of your car or T bone you.

Driving is a dangerous thing to do as there are many people out there that suffer from a severe case of NFI.

These people could kill you or I anytime we go out on or near the road.

Education is the ONLY solution to our driving problems. If need be keep the cameras, but make the governments use ALL the money from them to improve drivers and roads.

I am sick of the BS these pathetic governments keep spinning about the road toll and how speed cameras are the only solution.  They say that the xxx 1000's of people booked have saved lives, what a crock of sh!t.

The only reason our road toll has remained static over the past 10is cars are safer and nothing else, but there are significantly more accidents every year.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

There was some dopey b!tch on the radio here the other day laughing at how her son had failed his learners test five times or something rediculous. This is an indication of the twits that are out there on the road, they can't even get a basic grasp of a few simple road rules let alone how to actually operate a motor vehicle.

All the best with your endevours Lightning, I hope you can disprove the bastards!

And it's got me beat how you're still able to type - I would have thought that you'd be in a coffin by now given that you allegedly broke the speed limit, doesn't that sort of stuff kill???

[F6 UTE]

  Lightning said:

Don't know where utopia is in your case, but it's dual carriageway at the point that they say they took the shot.  No need to overtake (with the foot down, anyway) there.  Just hang back, if both lanes obstructed, wait for the right lane to become clear and pres "RES" :-)

Lightning...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Maybe the right lane was coming to an end and you gave her a 'hurry-up' to get around a slow moving vehicle?? Maybe there was a line of cars going around the slow cars, but you went around those cars..

Then coasted down to speed.

Sounds plausable they would drop a camera in such a place??

Rear facing camera or forward facing traditional multinova??

( And I have has my fare share of speeding tickets, all in 'bad' spots where it caught me unawares.. ) I have never been pinged when I was intentionally speeding, or hooning around. I do hate them aswell.

[Lightning]

This is f*cked, third time I've had to enter this damned reply. Can't be bothered with the story now, so the short story:

Saw the photo, crap photo, but was me in my car and no other cars.

So, have no real choice. Will accept the damned thing and pay it.

Lightning....

[Kimberley Scott]

Sorry to hear that mate, nothing makes me angrier than speeding fines, I fume for hours. In 1998 I drove from Darwin via Adelaide to Melbourne, in an EL XR8. braked at every speed reduction set cruise. Was pulled over and booked for 75 in a 60 zone in Bordertown. I was adamant I was not speeding, I guess that the fact I had personalised plates (GUILTY) and a signed Dick Johnson shirt on did not help my appeal to the constable with his new laser gun.

Looked at every option on return to Darwin, Legal Officers, Local Parlimintarian etc(spelling does not seem right). To contest I would have had to attend the court in Bordertown at great expense. Or at least pay a solicitor. Ended up paying the fine and as you can guess I am still bitter about it.

For those of you who dont know me, current job is a Military Policeman in the Army, and Laser speed detectors are rarely wrong. I have looked back at that event, and have grudually come to the conclusion that yes I did brake and yes I set cruise, but my foot in rest may have been contacting the accelerator peddle.

Anyway my advice, pay the fine and dont let it annoy you. If you do manage that then PM me with how you did it.

Scotty

[Romulus]

Bad luck dude. If you were caught speeding while overtaking you'd have a reasonable chance of getting away with it, as long as the speed wasn't excessive. But for any court representation to be effective you will need a lawyer. Magistrates hate dealing with amateurs and you'd have little chance of winning if you represent yourself.

I got caught for speeding in Aug 04 and Oct 04 in my Commodore. Aug 04 infringement was for 128km/h in 100 zone, other fine was for 111km/h in 100 zone. I always elect to go to court as it's my right to do so. To cut a long story short, both fines were dropped due to technical errors in the infringement. In one photo the driver wasn't visible, the other infringement the camera was setup on a corner, and I told the cops I would take the matter to court because the speed camera does not take into account cosine error, therefore giving a false reading.

If I were you I'd elect to go to court.