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[ms700]

bf xr6t are not the same as typhoon that's another rumour they are the same as all other xr6t mk1 and mk2

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Then why are the Typhoon and XRT head assemblies both the same now, but were different for BA. Previously the only different parts were the valve springs, now they are both exactly the same, because the valve springs are now the same. I should know, I build them.

After some of the early BA valve springs went soft Ford changed the specs on them to stop them going soft, but they are not the same as F6 as far as I know.

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Correct.

From 10/2005 all 6 cylinder turbo's, regardless of Typhoon or XR6T all use the same valve springs.

[GEoMaNTiK]

Then why are the Typhoon and XRT head assemblies both the same now, but were different for BA. Previously the only different parts were the valve springs, now they are both exactly the same, because the valve springs are now the same. I should know, I build them.

Thanks for confirming this for us, I will believe anyone who builds these for the masses.

From 10/2005 all 6 cylinder turbo's, regardless of Typhoon or XR6T all use the same valve springs.

So now does this confirm that the upgraded valve springs are not needed for the Stage 1 Cobra Package?

I've posted a message on the Nizpro site and waiting for Simon to reply.

Considering I will be getting my T tuned towards Premium Unleaded (95 RON), does anyone think that just the Edit & Custom Tune will be reliable enough or should I just fork the extra $600 and go for some 969 injectors... I wouldn't mind this if I'm saving some $$$ if the Valve springs are not needed.

Edited 14/03/06 08:39 AM by GEoMaNTiK

[gogo]

Geo,

For edit definitely either HPF or Nizpro - I have been to both and think highly of both workshops. For the road and drivability love my current tunes from Nizpro - the car is simply awesome!

As Craig mentioned - ring both and have a chat with Simon at Nizpro and Rob at Hpf - then make your decision. Nizpro offer a warranty, but you pay a premium - both workshops have many happy customers.

Injectors are the first main limitation for producing power beyond just the edit alone so this is what I would do. There is no change in drivability between injectors and not except the additional power that can be produced (about 30rwkw) - cold air intake and oil cooler for an auto are a very good idea as well.

Good luck and happy modification!!!!

Cheers,

Ben.

[gogo]

So now does this confirm that the upgraded valve springs are not needed for the Stage 1 Cobra Package?

I've posted a message on the Nizpro site and waiting for Simon to reply.

Speak with Simon - I am sure he will post in any case shortly to answer your query - I know he was busy today as he had me firing many many questions about lots of things further modification, and fielded all with unfailing patience!

I would leave the existing springs in at this stage and direct the money elsewhere. Obviously this would drop the price.

Considering I will be getting my T tuned towards Premium Unleaded (95 RON), does anyone think that just the Edit & Custom Tune will be reliable enough or should I just fork the extra $600 and go for some 969 injectors... I wouldn't mind this if I'm saving some $$$ if the Valve springs are not needed.

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I would suggest getting both a 95 RON and 98 RON map done with the tune. You should expect about 15rwkw less on 95 than 98 so it is always nice to know you can fill up with good fuel and have a little more go available. Both will be reliable for the fuel they are tuned for. Injectors will increase power for both fuels, but the difference between them will grow a little(ie 98 fuel should increase slightly more). Both Hpf and Nizpro should do this for you as part of the custom tune (you have three slots so usually a (95 map, a 98 map and a valet map!)

Cheers,

Ben.

[GEoMaNTiK]

Well it seems that the BF T valve springs are not the same as the Phoon, as per Simon from Nizpro's reply to my questions...

Check it out at...

http://forums.nizpro.com.au/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=848

hope I'm allowed to link to another forum, if not - please remove and sorry!

But this certainly clears up my questions on whether to go for the Cobra Stage 1, which is well worth the extra $$$ if it means no damage.

[ms700]

Well it seems that the BF T valve springs are not the same as the Phoon, as per Simon from Nizpro's reply to my questions...

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Well, a engine assembler from Ford Motor Company says they are the same, and a parts interpreter for a Ford dealership says they are the same, but if Simon from Nizpro says they are different, he must be right........

[Venom XR6]

Well it seems that the BF T valve springs are not the same as the Phoon, as per Simon from Nizpro's reply to my questions...

Check it out at...

http://forums.nizpro.com.au/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=848

hope I'm allowed to link to another forum, if not - please remove and sorry!

But this certainly clears up my questions on whether to go for the Cobra Stage 1, which is well worth the extra $$$ if it means no damage.

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Don't believe everything you hear, especially from some so called experts. If you want to pay extra for something you don't need, go ahead.

Edited 16/03/06 07:39 AM by Venom XR6

[philldub]

I think you getting a little heated.It appears that the colors change quite often and this would appear to confuse people about the springs.The guy who assembles engine at the Ford plant would simply be taking them out of a bin and installing them.Unless he tests the springs in a spring tester how would he know.Only by color. and as we keep getting told the color changes frequently.Secondly the cylinder heads when purchased from Ford are bare no valves or springs and seeing as all the heads are the same it would stand to reason that the part numbers are the same.The reason Ford sell them this way is so they can be made to fit LPG gas, N/A petrol, Turbo model's,and Typhoon. You see LPG engines run different inlet valve to all the others N/A just have std material valves,Turbo's have inconell exhaust valves and Typhoons have standard turbo valve but with different valve springs.Imagine all the exta stock Ford would have to have assembled if they had all these different heads in stock waiting,compared to just selling bare units.

I'm afraid if Nizpro has tested them them he would be 99% correct.

[Venom XR6]

I think you getting a little heated.It appears that the colors change quite often and this would appear to confuse people about the springs.The guy who assembles engine at the Ford plant would simply be taking them out of a bin and installing them.Unless he tests the springs in a spring tester how would he know.Only by color. and as we keep getting told the color changes frequently.Secondly the cylinder heads when purchased from Ford are bare no valves or springs and seeing as all the heads are the same it would stand to reason that the part numbers are the same.The reason Ford sell them this way is so they can be made to fit LPG gas, N/A petrol, Turbo model's,and Typhoon. You see LPG engines run different inlet valve to all the others N/A just have std material valves,Turbo's have inconell exhaust valves and Typhoons have standard turbo valve but with different valve springs.Imagine all the exta stock Ford would have to have assembled if they had all these different heads in stock waiting,compared to just selling bare units.

I'm afraid if Nizpro has tested them them he would be 99% correct.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

All BF turbo engines use the same head assembly, wether its an XR or an F6. THEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. On the BA they were different. Red paint on the cylinder head was an XR, blue was an F6. The only difference was the springs. Now they are all red, which means the valve springs are all the same now. I even quiered the engineers during the the FEU builds and yes, the valve springs are all the same now. Can that be any clearer.

[philldub]

So are you saying the valves are all the same too LPG,Turbo and N/A