A Question About Redundancy...

[G6ET8U]

Thanks again boys for the help and kind words, she is contacting her union on Tuesday so we know some more then...

Even though the award may have changed over the term of her employment I don't believe it to be retrospective as her original employment conditions from when she started there still apply...

And another question...

Mum and 2 other woman went to a conference in Adelaide last Monday and Tuesday, instead of being flown to Adelaide her work asked them drive instead in a company supplied vehicle on the promise that they would be 'paid' time in lieu for their journey there and back, they have now reneged (sp?) on that deal as well... so they drove to Adelaide early Sunday morning taking it in turns driving, arrived, went to the conference and then spent Wednesday driving back to Melbourne basically on their own time... surely this isn't right either... if you are in a company supplied vehicle you are considered to be in their employment and should be paid accordingly... does this sound right?

Cheers

Jack

[sixfan]

If they make her redundant, then hire someone else to replace her, they are breaking the law. Simple. They can't hire her back in the same capacity for lower pay without breaking the law. They may try some Bullsh1t like changing the position description but that doesn't wash.

If push comes to shove, she is entitled to ALL holiday pay and ALL long service leave, these are NOT negotiable. Any redundo though is at thier discretion. It Sucks. A company I worked for offered 3weeks per year of service, it got taken over and the deal became capped to 8 weeks total, another takeover and the deal is "Don't worry about it, we'll look after you"...Yeah right...so I maintain 5 months leave for just such an eventuallity.

I had a mate who had similar troubles to your mum, when he talked to them advising that he had sought legal advice they retreated faster than the french army.

Go the union, although I'm not a Labour man, I think Unions can have a valuable role to play, this is a prime example.

[RAPHOON]

I'm not familiar with Victorian State Awards (if that's what your mum is working under), however, the offer does not sound right to me.

The main thing is that your mum has not signed anything as yet, and so she has the opportunity to investigate what her entitlements before accepting the conditions. Her union is as good a place to start as any.

On a positive note, this country has a chronic shortage of nurses, so getting a job won't be a problem.

[stang]

Sorry I dont have anything to contribute but this goverment is screwing us silly,first of all major corporations like Telstra,IBM etc export jobs to India and then they kick us in the gut with IR reforms and this type of crap.

I think every industry in Australia should band together and stop work for the day or even a bloody week if they had too to show the people wont stand for it.

Me may as well hold the country to ransom because by the time the politicians finnish we won`t even be able to earn enough money to fill up the T.

John Howard I am disgusted with you never voted for you never will.

Bring back Paul Keating there was a man with iron balls.

[sixfan]

  stang said:

Bring back Paul Keating there was a man with iron balls.

and a tin head....

[jetute]

  sixfan said:

  stang said:

Bring back Paul Keating there was a man with iron balls.

and a tin head....

PK was the biggest *beep* that ever was..... wouldnt pisss on him if he ws on fire.

sorry to hear about your mum jack.... hope it all pans out in your mums favour... serving that industry for that amount of years... she definately deserves better.

[ZAP]

I think is is funny that Stang wrote that the jobs will be going O/S because of IR reforms.

This IR reforms are designed to STOP this from happening.

Have a look at GM and Ford in the USA. Did you know that the entitlements the GM workers are owed is MORE than the company is worth ?

This is because the unions caused a huge IR problem for GM and essentially strongarmed GM into signing an agreement that will be the death of the company if something is not done. This is what the government is trying to prevent.

While I feel sorry for people who are made redundant, why should a business pay a worker $50k+ to be essentially sacked. Yes they should recieve a payout, but not 2 weeks for every year (or more) or this would cause companies to carry a huge debt load due to workers entitlements.

The IR reforms will be a bitter pill to swallow for some people who do not understand the long term benifits of it. It will make Oz more even in manufactoring against the asian countries we are competing with.

I support this reform, but not the sale of Tel$tra.

Oh and Paul Keeting was the WORST prime minister and tresurer this country has seen since whitlam, luckly he did not get a long enought turn and really Fcuking this country, but he did a good job trying

[sixfan]

  ZAP_F6 said:

I think is is funny that Stang wrote that the jobs will be going O/S because of IR reforms.

This IR reforms are designed to STOP this from happening.

Have a look at GM and Ford in the USA.  Did you know that the entitlements the GM workers are owed is MORE than the company is worth ?

This is because the unions caused a huge IR problem for GM and essentially strongarmed GM into signing an agreement that will be the death of the company if something is not done.  This is what the government is trying to prevent.

While I feel sorry for people who are made redundant, why should a business pay a worker $50k+ to be essentially sacked.  Yes they should recieve a payout, but not 2 weeks for every year (or more) or this would cause companies to carry a huge debt load due to workers entitlements.

The IR reforms will be a bitter pill to swallow for some people who do not understand the long term benifits of it.  It will make Oz more even in manufactoring against the asian countries we are competing with.

I support this reform, but not the sale of Tel$tra.

Oh and Paul Keeting was the WORST prime minister and tresurer this country has seen since whitlam, luckly he did not get a long enought turn and really Fcuking this country, but he did a good job trying

ZAP_F6,

I'm no expert, but I doubt we'll EVER be able to effectively compete, labour wise against 3rd world countries and the IR laws won't make a lick of difference there...

Redundo payments are a very good way to ensure staff stick around, training costs are massive and mistakes caused by poorly trained staff are even bigger. Once they axed my redundo entitlements I started looking for other work, in the end they had to give me a BIG pay increase to get me to stay. Twats, would have been cheaper for them to leave the redundo on the books...

Don't underestimate the effect that shafting one person in the workplace will have on the others who are to remain behind. If XR6T8_U's mum gets it in the neck the rest of the staff will be even less inclined to stick around. In today's labour market it's getting increasingly hard to hire good staff (I should know, I'm hireing now...) and one must be carefull toassess the REAL results of making someone redundant...

[Guest]

XR6T8_U,

I've nothing to add with regards to the redundancy offer made to your mother, as I'm in the Defence Force and we have no such liberties like a union, although if we did, all hell would break loose.

My mother is however a nurse, has been for 25+years. I mentioned the scenario surrounding your mother.

Why doesn't your mother apply to work in a private hospital, as the private sector are soon to recieve a raise of eventually 6% to bring them on par with those in public health, for the first time in history...I'm guessing your mother doesn't want to leave suggest this to her and see what she thinks.

Good luck mate, me and mum are supporting ya!

Darren

[stang]

  ZAP_F6 said:

I think is is funny that Stang wrote that the jobs will be going O/S because of IR reforms.

This IR reforms are designed to STOP this from happening.

Have a look at GM and Ford in the USA.  Did you know that the entitlements the GM workers are owed is MORE than the company is worth ?

This is because the unions caused a huge IR problem for GM and essentially strongarmed GM into signing an agreement that will be the death of the company if something is not done.  This is what the government is trying to prevent.

While I feel sorry for people who are made redundant, why should a business pay a worker $50k+ to be essentially sacked.  Yes they should recieve a payout, but not 2 weeks for every year (or more) or this would cause companies to carry a huge debt load due to workers entitlements.

The IR reforms will be a bitter pill to swallow for some people who do not understand the long term benifits of it.  It will make Oz more even in manufactoring against the asian countries we are competing with.

I support this reform, but not the sale of Tel$tra.

Oh and Paul Keeting was the WORST prime minister and tresurer this country has seen since whitlam, luckly he did not get a long enought turn and really Fcuking this country, but he did a good job trying

The only people that win from these reforms are business,Do you own your own businessit sounds likeit.

Why should employees give a flying f*ck about the business they work for if there employers only want to make themselves richa nd treat there employees as 2nd rate.don`t see any of these politicians taking any pay cuts scum that they are.

I bet if you went for a new job you would want to be paid top dollar.

As for keating he had the balls to stand up to the yanks whare as puppet howard will do anything to benefit the yanks, he probably has contracts with the yanks once the reforms kick in and people are paid in chicken feed that he will start negotiating.