F6_tornado Runs Bf Auto At Kwinana

[geea]

F6_Tornado, with his new BF F6 AUTO UTE ran down at the plex tonight.

Mods are: Injectors, Dump pipe + Twin cats thru to twin pipes and Edit.

Barry Batten tuned to just under 300rwkw, with afr's in the 11.8's. ( See M6XR6Ts' thread for dyno graph )

Time:

  12.60 @ 111mph.

Just drove up to the line, plonked it in 'D' and took off.

Nice effort from a very concervative tune, and small amount of mods.

Car has less than 500km on it.

Well done Gramps. 

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The times aren't very good for 300rwkw's and the mph isn't really there either. he time could be slow due to a bad launch but the mph should still be there.

I know both Dvae and Rob ran 11.5/11.6 with similar power and both were around 120mph.

Geea.

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One thing to remember though, we don't race with the same setup as yourself; running front runners, slicks, suspensions mods etc.

This car run stock wheels and tyres, stock suspension and was the first pass done in it.

I don't think your car ran 11.5/11.6 the first time you took it down.

I'm sure the rh and temperature had an effect on power.

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So what's it making? 240rwkw?  250rwkw downhill with a breeze? 

I doubt grip was an issue running that power?? 13.0 on slicks. ??

This is why I'm not a drag racing fan per-sae. Anyone can have a kazillionty killowatts on 'X' dyno, but it will never perform as it 'should' in other peoples eyes. Everyones best efforts are too easily dismissed, and unless we were there and driving, we can't see what the conditions were like..

Geea mentions 300rwkw will be good for 120mph, where does that put F6's like yours running 120mph with 370rwkw? and mine (to an extent) running 12.80 @ 115mph? It's easy to dismiss..

I doubt they run there cars at 40 deg track temp + 62% humidity over there, as Lucus and Greg did..

I'm not  ( much ) but just puttting a few things into perspective, for the eastern staters...

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Guys I've never run slicks or front runners. I use MT Street radials. Rob and Dave are the same. I think Rob actually used Nitto's which are not as good as the MT ET's. Also my best of 10.6 was done at Heathcote during the day and it was 26C.

These are all excuses. It also doesn't matter how many Km's a car has either. 300rwkw's is still 300rwkw's. After some more Km's it may free up and generate more but that is the figure that was quoted. 300rwkw's should be doing around 120mph in an auto. 111mph is around 250-260rwkw's. You can choose to believe me or not it's upto you. What reason would I have to lie.

Geea.

[F6 UTE]

I think you may have misunderstood the comment that Simon made regarding grip. He wasnt talking about my ute he was talking about Gregs. im sure gregs et would have faster if he had been able to stall higher and use the extra grip to improve his 60ft time

im not sure exactly how much rwkw Gregs is running (he did tell me but I forgot) but he went 1 mph faster than me and .28 seconds quicker than me with out stalling so id say its a pretty fair comparission between the two cars.

I ran the slick because they we're there. as I said above I have the capacity to stall to 3500 rpm on the convertor but havent had time to see simon for the changes to the tune so I was leaving the line at around 2000rpm anyway.

do you really think my utes only making 240/250 rwkw when it went 1 mph slower than Gregs did?

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Your right, I misread the grip comment.

And Simon mentioned you have no-where near 300 rwkw 'now'.

Greg made 298rwkw on APC's dyno, you have a similar mph... this is why I said drag racing aint my thing.

Then Simon says his XR went 114 mph on 270 rwkw, based on that logic, you would have been making 240/250 ON THE NIGHT. any other cool night, it will obvously make more. But utes weigh more, his was on a cooler night etc etc etc etc...

Nothing adds up. This is my point, not digging but different night, different cars, it's all out the window.

Now, stick with me on this.....

I could compare your 12.89 @ 111 to my 12.89 @ 112 ( The best I ran on Simons' tune )

That tune made 299.7rwkw on Actives Dyno, After that run, and a fine tune from Simon It went 285rwkw on APCs' dyno, so I guess a genuine 275rwkw in a manual with that tune. You following??

That would equate to roughly 260rwkw in an auto, at my guess.. Pretty line ball with your car in it's current state..

Now this starts to make sense, and the planets start to align.....

Also, Greg would not have been making 300 rwkw last night either. It was hot and humid, he would have been down on power aswell.. Mars now lines up with Jupiter, and there's an eclipse forming..

Get your tune fixed, bring her up to the dyno day with me and pappy, we'll have a wizz on the road and see how they compare in real life. I doubt there will be bugger all in it between all of them, rolling start or mid gear accel.

[F6 UTE]

111mph is around 250-260rwkw's. You can choose to believe me or not it's upto you. What reason would I have to lie.

Geea.

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I agree, as I just described..

[Ralph Wiggum]

i'l be there if im home depending on work and if i can get the car to simon for a tweak up before then.

As for the planets lining up comments crap. We are trying to have a discussion about Gregs ute. Nobody need any patronising comments to help it along.

If you have issues with me or who tunes my car please keep it out of gregs thread..

cheers buddy....

Luke

[F6 UTE]

* Goes to chit chat *

[Terebro]

Damn I had no idea it was 40degrees out there lastnight, awesome time considering Greg.

Mine feels like it's short about 30rwkw when its anything above 35degrees (bum-in-seat-ometer) so considering this and the el'stocko P9000's I think it's a great time.

With a cooler night and a more suitable tune for the strip, I'd hate to think how close it'll get to the magical 11. For that night I might have to make the trip down there!

[F6_Tornado]

Hi Travis.. track temp was 40.8C ambient had dropped to 26C 77% humidity and 6 knot head wind.

It cooled down quick once the sun went down so it wasnt too bad I thought

[Romulus]

Damn I had no idea it was 40degrees out there lastnight, awesome time considering Greg.

Mine feels like it's short about 30rwkw when its anything above 35degrees (bum-in-seat-ometer) so considering this and the el'stocko P9000's I think it's a great time.

With a cooler night and a more suitable tune for the strip, I'd hate to think how close it'll get to the magical 11.  For that night I might have to make the trip down there!

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It would be down a fair bit of power. Here's why:

Looking at the Air Charge Temp multiplier, when the ACT hits 150 Deg F, there is a multiplier of -50 x 0.12 = -6 degrees of spark being taken out of the borderline knock table. In my experience with my own car 4 degrees spark reduction = 25rwkw less power. Because you and Greg or Ben have not had this table zeroed out (as you are running a street tune, not a drag tune) heatsoak comes into play, and the will definately be down on power, probably between 20-30rwkw.

[Romulus]

F6_Tornado, with his new BF F6 AUTO UTE ran down at the plex tonight.

Mods are: Injectors, Dump pipe + Twin cats thru to twin pipes and Edit.

Barry Batten tuned to just under 300rwkw, with afr's in the 11.8's. ( See M6XR6Ts' thread for dyno graph )

Time:

  12.60 @ 111mph.

Just drove up to the line, plonked it in 'D' and took off.

Nice effort from a very concervative tune, and small amount of mods.

Car has less than 500km on it.

Well done Gramps. 

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The times aren't very good for 300rwkw's and the mph isn't really there either. he time could be slow due to a bad launch but the mph should still be there.

I know both Dvae and Rob ran 11.5/11.6 with similar power and both were around 120mph.

Geea.

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One thing to remember though, we don't race with the same setup as yourself; running front runners, slicks, suspensions mods etc.

This car run stock wheels and tyres, stock suspension and was the first pass done in it.

I don't think your car ran 11.5/11.6 the first time you took it down.

I'm sure the rh and temperature had an effect on power.

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So what's it making? 240rwkw?  250rwkw downhill with a breeze? 

I doubt grip was an issue running that power?? 13.0 on slicks. ??

This is why I'm not a drag racing fan per-sae. Anyone can have a kazillionty killowatts on 'X' dyno, but it will never perform as it 'should' in other peoples eyes. Everyones best efforts are too easily dismissed, and unless we were there and driving, we can't see what the conditions were like..

Geea mentions 300rwkw will be good for 120mph, where does that put F6's like yours running 120mph with 370rwkw? and mine (to an extent) running 12.80 @ 115mph? It's easy to dismiss..

I doubt they run there cars at 40 deg track temp + 62% humidity over there, as Lucus and Greg did..

I'm not  ( much ) but just puttting a few things into perspective, for the eastern staters...

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Guys I've never run slicks or front runners. I use MT Street radials. Rob and Dave are the same. I think Rob actually used Nitto's which are not as good as the MT ET's. Also my best of 10.6 was done at Heathcote during the day and it was 26C.

These are all excuses. It also doesn't matter how many Km's a car has either. 300rwkw's is still 300rwkw's. After some more Km's it may free up and generate more but that is the figure that was quoted. 300rwkw's should be doing around 120mph in an auto. 111mph is around 250-260rwkw's. You can choose to believe me or not it's upto you. What reason would I have to lie.

Geea.

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MT Streets or Nitto's are far superior to OEM tyres however.

Does your car have a hi-stall converter or does it run the stock unit? A hi-stall will provide a lot more torque multiplication than a stock unit, aiding the car getting off the line.

As you said, I'm sure most auto T's would run a low 11/hi 10, but we are in unchartered waters with the new 6-speed auto.

I'm sure these times will improve no doubt

[Romulus]

My best was 12.89....on streets...went slower on slicks.....go figure

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Still not bad as there were not to many in the 12's last nigh.. Would you swap it for a Maloo????

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Maloo....Smaloo...I'll stick with the T thanks....I think I wasnt able to use the slicks to there full potential because I didnt get a chance to get Simon to adjust my tune so I could stall the car past 2200 rpm without putting the car into limp mode

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They didnt put up much of a show for hsv did they? Allthough I have no idea what was done to any of them, Im sure there is the odd quick one out there.

Im with you I woudnt swap mine for 10 Malloo's

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Most of the GENIII/LS2 utes were struggling to manage a quicker time than 13.5-13.7. I saw 2 mates there with their utes, both were disappointed with their times.