Tuner Liability

[F6 UTE]

Next issue, whos to say that the customer hasnt done something themselves for there own motives, I know of one person who has been caught out with having a boss engine that was under oil consumtion watch and didnt want to wait till the test was over so he drained his sump and seized the engine to claim a new one saying it had used all the oil and killed it. he didnt notive the marker pen placed on the sump that he didnt line back up and it was obvious what he had done, whos fault?

That's absurd. Who would believe that?? Ford?? An engine would not wait untill it has no oil left in to seize. It would seize, blow the remaining oil all over the engine bay and firewall and make a hell of a mess.

What if you have had more then one tuner tune your car and its on the dyno with the second or third or fourth tuner you have gone to and it bends a rod, blows a head gasket, or what ever... WHo do you try and get to pay for it? Ford,? Or one of the many tuners? who do you blame?

You answered this yourself

Again I said it before we have isnurance, we have to, if I had a stock xr on the dyno and melted it, I would have to claim a new engine.. not ford. no claims here

Nizpro offer a great warranty scheme that they do and its a great idea, they turn over well into the 10's of cars a week and offer a warranty on there work if you get your car serviced with them for the life of the warranty, its a great idea as they can also monitor oil usage, grades ect, keep an eye on the engines and its wear ect.

Would you consider something like this??

There is no black and white in this topic as there is to much grey area to come into play.

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Just trying to remove some of the shades of grey for the average consumer who has no idea on what a 'pink' sounds like, or whether his afr's are too high..

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Disclaimers aren’t worth the piece of paper they are written on these days in any case – they can all be overturned/ignored in a flash once lawyers and the courts get involved.

Everything is judged on the “reasonable person” concept, so for anything to be successful you would have to prove that you were acting reasonably when the fault has occurred; and in this day and age anything more than ¼ throttle and 100 km/h would be classed as unreasonable

[Xtreme F6]

also    while im at it, ill give some information on the engine I bought for my F6 that might shed some insite to this topic.... with being shot down, The engine I got for my F6 from a wreckers that had 10000 kms  looked like it had dont 200000 kms.

One of the big ends was even worn down to the copper backing off the bearing. now this is an engine that has done 10000 kms, there are grooves in the bearing metal from grit ect obviously being in the oil passages when it was assembled.

scarey, BUT in saying that I dont believe any low power xr6t's should be doing engines ie just poppen rods out the sides of blocks ect, there must be something dramaticly wrong.

How do you know the engine was not modified prior to it becoming in your posession??

My F6, your F6, F6 Tornados' F6 have all been modded with less than 2k on the clock??????

I was lucky enough to veiw the wreck and then checked with someone I know as to the owners ect of the vehicle.... I know

[Xtreme F6]

That's absurd. Who would believe that?? Ford?? An engine would not wait untill it has no oil left in to seize. It would seize, blow the remaining oil all over the engine bay and firewall and make a hell of a mess.

whats absurd? I know what was done as the person involved braged to the wrong person what he had done to get a new engine, I was also asked to inspect the engine when it was removed and stripped for my evaluation, it was quite interesting that the engine had only melted its bearings to the crank and the pistons has only nipped the bore a little. Worse thing is the guy got a new engine anyways.

[Xtreme F6]

(Xtreme F6 @ Feb 10 2006, 09:25 PM)

What if you have had more then one tuner tune your car and its on the dyno with the second or third or fourth tuner you have gone to and it bends a rod, blows a head gasket, or what ever... WHo do you try and get to pay for it? Ford,? Or one of the many tuners? who do you blame?

You answered this yourself

where did I answer it myself.............

[Xtreme F6]

(Xtreme F6 @ Feb 10 2006, 09:25 PM)

Nizpro offer a great warranty scheme that they do and its a great idea, they turn over well into the 10's of cars a week and offer a warranty on there work if you get your car serviced with them for the life of the warranty, its a great idea as they can also monitor oil usage, grades ect, keep an eye on the engines and its wear ect.

Would you consider something like this??

cant say to much yet but yes, something is going to happen in this regard

[Romulus]

Here's another scenario....

Customer has an engine built from supplier A and wants tuner B to to tune it. Supplier says he only has confidence in tuner C's ability, but customer only wants to deal with tuner B.

Should the engine supplier honour the warranty if tuner B tunes the engine, and further to that, if the supplier doesn't supply the engine specifications to the customer should tuner B be liable if the engine lets go.

[jetute]

it be nice if you could purchase warranty/insurance for a modified engine.... even if its through your tuner or a seperate company that specialised in this only.

[Xtreme F6]

Here's another scenario....

Customer has an engine built from supplier A and wants tuner B to to tune it. Supplier says he only has confidence in tuner C's ability, but customer only wants to deal with tuner B.

Should the engine supplier honour the warranty if tuner B tunes the engine, and further to that, if the supplier doesn't supply the engine specifications to the customer should tuner B be liable if the engine lets go.

that being the case then its upto the customer, after all its his money, its his car, he should be able to choose who he wants to tune it, its not really upto anyone but the owner of the vehicle. How can the engine biulder shirk warranty because of the tuner involved.

[philldub]

If tuner c melts hole in engine builer engine then you cannot blame the engine builder