Bmw M5 Verus Fpv F6

[GlennAUII]

screw them both.. for the price of an F6 I could have a T3 and a T1 TS50..

for the price of an M5 I could have a fleet..

Honestly, no comparing the F6 to an M5. They are just in a different league. Not saying I prefer the M5 or anything. Both are extremely nice cars.

[DallasQLD]

JB your da man.....................

My neigbour saved and saved for a GT, he allways wanted one. He even rang me on the way to pcik it up. He was soo dammed excited. whwn he picked it it up.

No spare key

Dash didtnt work correctly.

no FPV leather manual as promised

empty of fuel

All 4 tyres all with different pressures

He was given the keys and told "oh you traded in a Falcon,I don't need to tell you about the car" and sent him off into the trafiic, at which point the dash stopped completely and the car went into limp mode - He has to walk back to the dealer.....

Now that's what I am talkin about..................!

We both recently had a chance to meet with David Flint of FPV at a function. He promptly told him all of this. David doesn't remeodrer I as he was so pissed on Red wine....just ehat you do as MD at the release of your new flagship model.......

It was great launch of the new GT, invited guests and no GT - P!

See the trouble is that even died in the wool Ford lovers have ther loyalty tested regulary - this Forum proves that when many of the threads are about problems and not great experiences.

Its not that hard for them to get their act together. Other car makers have and also release why.

And I quote Flint ( in his pissed state) "We know our service is sh*t....But we can't change the dealers and the way they think"

I told him that he might need to rethink that one.....or sell their cars themselves and not through Ford dealers.

IMHO when someone buys an FPV product they feel as thought they have "made it". They certainly dont feel like that when they leave the stealership. And that's moy whole point. They should. Youy woiuld not see the defections to other brands we have seen around here , including me.

Lexus did that for one reason alone - to avoid the Toyota syndrome..

[JBomb3000]

I think alot of people are missing the point and need to look at the whole ownership experience rather than just straight line performance. Sure you could spend 20g on a F6 and hose a M5 in a straight line but a F6 regardless if it's stock of has 500rwkw is still an Australian built ford that is based on a $30 000 taxi.

No doubt the F6 is better value than the M5 as far a bang for your buck but if you compare the M5 to an SL55 AMG or a Bently Arnage you could make some strong arguments for the M5 being good value. When wheels tested the M5 in July it ran the quarter in 12.5 and the 0 - 100 in 4.4. that's's quick for a stock car in anyones language.

So would I buy a M5, if I had the money no doubt as I think in the 220k to 250k range it is a standout for value and performance. But I don't have a spare 200k lying around so the reality is my next car will most like be another go fast version of a $30 000 dollar taxi.

[DallasQLD]

[aiboart]

from

smh.com.au

drive.com.au

BMW M5

September 30, 2005

Live a life a lot less ordinary with this cutting edge, street-legal racer, writes BILL McKINNON.

Dare to be different

Good: The most uncompromising performance sedan you can buy. Radical, innovative engineering. Electronically adjustable engine, transmission and suspension settings. Stellar handling and steering. Superb seats.

Bad: The most uncompromising performance sedan you can buy. Hates traffic and speed limits. Sequential gearbox is a pain in the neck most of the time. Using the M5's performance puts a strain on reliability and durability.

Rating: Because it can. 4 stars (see below for ratings key)

On paper, BMW's new M5 looks like another one-upmanship exercise in its never-ending game of corporate argy-bargy with Mercedes-Benz.

Powered by a 373kW, 5.0-litre V10 the M5 will do the zero-100kmh trip in a claimed 4.8 seconds. Strewth! But so will its most direct rivals, the 5.4-litre supercharged, 350kW, V8 E55 and CLS55 Mercedes AMGs.

The BMW costs $226,000. Extravagant money for an extravagant car. However, to dismiss the M5 on this basis is to misunderstand its purpose. BMW built it to explore the possibilities of nascent and extreme technology. In its engineering, and on the road, the M5 is as cosmic as four doors get. The result isn't always successful but it is daring and different.

BMW's fundamental ingredients for a fast, powerful car are low weight and lots of naturally aspirated revs.

The M5's 90-degree V10 engine epitomises this approach. Its superstructure and moving parts are low-mass, low-friction and high-strength, all rendered in exotic metal compounds.

Its radical configuration is designed to be thrashed. It will spin to 8250rpm. Intricate metallurgy is complemented by equally innovative, big-byte electronic management systems - which the driver gets to play with.

In normal mode, the V10 produces slightly less than 300kW. The maximum 373kW - 507 horsepower in the old money - is available at the push of a button, which activates a specific engine management program, adjusts the double Vanos camshafts to maximum lift and duration and opens the 10 throttle butterflies to their full extent.

When you select the third and most extreme performance option, called P500 Sport, to quote the owner's handbook, the engine "responds spontaneously and very uncompromisingly to accelerator movements".

That's an understatement. You're in for the ride of your life, particularly from 6500rpm, where the M5 feels like a superbike with a decent seat.

This approach does come at a cost - relatively sedate performance below 3000rpm. The V10 produces 520Nm of torque at 6100rpm. The AMG supercharged V8, in comparison, generates 700Nm from just 2650rpm - enough bottom-end torque to almost peel the tyres from the wheels.

Both cars have electronic limited-slip differentials and the usual stability control aids, which can be desensitised for minimal effect. The M5's can be switched off completely.

Drive goes to the road via a seven-speed manual gearbox with an automatic clutch - SMG in BMW speak. Its shift programming can also be adjusted, either automatically or manually, to 11 different sequences.

Like the engine, it works beautifully at the limit. Approach a tight corner in third, brake, then flick the downshift paddle on the wheel in the same moment as you get off the slow pedal onto the fast one. You're back to second in an instant. Fantastic.

Launch mode accesses the Sid Vicious performance map. Dial it up, hold the SMG lever forward, apply full throttle, let the lever go and hang on. The system will give you access to launch mode only every 15 minutes or so. More frequent indulgence would possibly break the car.

In at least one case, the BMW M5 had to go home on a tow truck after a car magazine did an acceleration run in "launch mode". Only in this mode can you get near the 4.8 second 0 to 100kmh acceleration time. In normal mode, when the gearbox fidgets around, it struggles to sneak under six seconds for the 100kmh dash. In less surreal situations, especially traffic, SMG is clumsy and illogical.

Whether you leave it in pseudo auto Drive, or shift gears yourself, it slurs and lurches on upshifts, with what seems like excessive drag on the clutch. You soon tire of constantly being pitched forward in your seat. If you sat next to someone who changed gears as sloppily as this, you would suspect they had been into the refreshments at a long lunch.

Suspension is as in the 5 Series in layout and its extensive use of aluminium alloy. The body is lowered, with stiffer springs and electronically controlled adaptive dampers. Again, you can choose the settings (Comfort, Normal and Sport), or let the system adjust itself.

Nineteen-inch wheels are shod with seriously adhesive 285/35 (rear) and 255/40 (front) Continental tyres.

No other sedan handles with the agility, poise or precision of the M5, even when the suspension is set to Comfort. Its balance is apparent in every corner. The AMG E-Class-based cars, though equally confident and secure at high speeds, feel comparatively soft in tight turns.

The Sports suspension program also activates a complementary electric power steering assistance program, which adds weight and directness to the wheel. Either way, you steer the M5 almost by instinct rather than conscious thought.

The test car's brakes were fade-free but the pedal was too sensitive and difficult to modulate.

The M5 has one of the best driver's seats in town. It's power-adjustable in every direction, has complete leg and body support and exceptional comfort. The backrest bolsters can be set to automatically push against the relevant side of your body when cornering. It sounds like a gimmick, and it is, but when you're driving the M5 as intended it does work.

Equipment includes just about everything from the standard 5 Series catalogue and then some. A heads-up display projects your speed and, in go-fast mode, optimum gear change points onto the windscreen. Luscious leather upholstery, traditional tough guy black suede-look roof lining and stitched leather dash trim, adaptive xenon headlights, voice recognition, rear and side sunblinds, automatic air-conditioning and an alarm are included.

The back-seat is spacious and comfortable on a long drive. The boot floor is fairly long but the front half, and the opening, are narrow. The rear seat-backs are fixed. There's no spare, just a compressor/sealant kit.

In day-to-day, speed-restricted driving, the M5 is unhappy to be there. This is the price you pay for narrowly focused, experimental performance engineering.

The car scores four stars. BMW gets five stars for having the ticker to build it and showing us what lies beyond the ordinary. Be warned: this is not a fast car that will pamper you, it's a race car with leather seats.

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Nuts 'n' bolts - BMW M5

Country of origin: Germany.

Engine: 5.0-litre, 40-valve, fuel-injected, 90-degree V10.

Power: 373kW at 7750rpm (enough).

Performance: 0-100kmh in 4.8 seconds (fast).

Brakes: Discs with ABS, EBD and DSC (average).

Economy: 10.8-13 litres/100km highway (average), 21-25 litres/100km city (thirsty).

Prices: Recommended retail $226,000. Street price. No deals. Join the queue.

Main options: Fold-down rear-seat back $1100, heated and ventilated front seats $2750.

Warranty: Two-year/unlimited kilometres (below average years).

Residual value: About 48 per cent after three years (below average).

Safety rating: A surprise result: the 5 Series scored only four stars out of five in Euro NCAP tests.

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Alternatives

HSV Clubsport R8

$71,140

HSV's worksburger performance Late model camira runs the 297kW, 6.0-litre LS2 Chev V8, with six-speed manual/four-speed auto transmissions. Elitism aside, it's worth a drive.

Jaguar S Type R

From $169,990

An underrated car that shines on the open road. Supercharged 4.2-litre V8 produces 298kW. Six-speed auto with antiquated J-gate. Adaptive suspension. Tightish, luxurious interior.

Mercedes-Benz E55

$225,600

The E55 AMG Mercedes is faster than the M5 in a straight line and for daily use but doesn't slice and dice tight corners as efficiently. Easier to live with. Monstrous torque from the supercharged 5.4-litre V8.

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Prices and details correct at publication

Ratings

5 stars: Dream wheels

4 stars: Recommended

3 stars: On the ball

2 stars: Just transport

1 star: Very ordinary

[F6_FPV]

Guys, guys guys;

I am a Ford man through and through. I have purchased a F6 which I have to say is the best car I have owned thus far ( I have owned a few cars from 2 HSV’s then seeing the errors of my ways, seeing the light and have owned 4 Tickford/FPV’s). But to compare a F6 to a M5 well... someone is smoking some good stuff .

We are not comparing apples with apples in fact it is a totally different league. As is the Commonwealth Games with the Olympics, FA League with World cup Soccer, Ing / Pura Cup with World Series Cricket. F6 with M5.. A different league!! Both very good in their respective classes.

As already mentioned by a few, we can afford the 40k-60k and yes the F6 is great value and the performance is excellent (especially how easy you can tweak these things). Sure 245k+ for a M5 is allot of money for a car... but this is great value if you have the money, and good on those who can afford cars of this calibre, because hopefully one day I will be able too (yes I am smoking something good now) .

I currently own a F6 mildly tuned (273rwkw), and it has some pretty trick suspension. My brother has bought himself a 98 Ferrari F355. Yes we have lined them up, and let me tell you I give him a good run for his money. In fact he gets scared and if I get a better start on him, we are side by side. He will have me by a half to ¼ car length by the end of the quarter. Not bad for a 60k car!! And I am sure if I upgrade my injectors and zorst I will have no problems in doing him over the quarter.

Now!!!!! The difference is, we have taken them both to the race track and this is where you get humbled. You get eaten alive. Remember when spending big $$ on a car like that, they have been built for performance and racing. I can see why you would spend such money on these things. They just thrive on being driven hard, going around corners and more importantly stopping at some ridiculous speeds but not just once or twice, ALWAYS! It’s as if you have just completed the first lap, where as a matter of fact you are up to your 10th lap and the car wants more, it does not give up!

If you have the privilege of driving a M5, Ferrari or any car of that calibre, I am sure your attitude will change. They are unbelievable cars in their own right. Just as the XR6T, F6, GT are good cars.

My two cents worth.

Cheers

[JB]

  F6_FPV said:

Guys, guys guys;

I am a Ford man through and through.  I have purchased a F6 which I have to say is the best car I have owned thus far ( I have owned a few cars from 2 HSV’s then seeing the errors of my ways, seeing the light and have owned 4 Tickford/FPV’s).  But to compare a F6 to a M5 well... someone is smoking some good stuff  .

We are not comparing apples with apples in fact it is a totally different league.  As is the Commonwealth Games with the Olympics, FA League with World cup Soccer, Ing / Pura Cup with World Series Cricket. F6 with M5.. A different league!!  Both very good in their respective classes.

As already mentioned by a few, we can afford the 40k-60k and yes the F6 is great value and the performance is excellent (especially how easy you can tweak these things).  Sure 245k+ for a M5 is allot of money for a car... but this is great value if you have the money, and good on those who can afford cars of this calibre, because hopefully one day I will be able too (yes I am smoking something good now)  .

I currently own a F6 mildly tuned (273rwkw), and it has some pretty trick suspension. My brother has bought himself a 98 Ferrari F355.  Yes we have lined them up, and let me tell you I give him a good run for his money. In fact he gets scared and if I get a better start on him, we are side by side. He will have me by a half to ¼ car length by the end of the quarter. Not bad for a 60k car!!  And I am sure if I upgrade my injectors and zorst I will have no problems in doing him over the quarter. 

Now!!!!! The difference is, we have taken them both to the race track and this is where you get humbled.  You get eaten alive.  Remember when spending big $$ on a car like that, they have been built for performance and racing. I can see why you would spend such money on these things.  They just thrive on being driven hard, going around corners and more importantly stopping at some ridiculous speeds but not just once or twice, ALWAYS! It’s as if you have just completed the first lap, where as a matter of fact you are up to your 10th lap and the car wants more, it does not give up!

If you have the privilege of driving a M5, Ferrari or any car of that calibre, I am sure your attitude will change.  They are unbelievable cars in their own right.  Just as the XR6T, F6, GT are good cars. 

My two cents worth.

Cheers

Exactly.

[corpex]

Here is a link to 'Drives' Hot Lap times. Looking at these "Performance" results the M5 ranks very well........

http://yahoo.drive.com.au/DriveTV/HotLap.aspx

[Phoon Hoon]

  Shockwave-T said:

The one-eyedness of this forum is amazing and funny.

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Maybe that's because it's an XR6T forum? I thought that'd be obvious.

Here's my 2c worth...

1. The M5 is a better car.

2. The F6 is better bang for your buck.

3. Anyone who spends $240,000+ on a car needs to justify it somehow.

[Dagabond]

Bugger the M5 and F6, I'll have an M6 please.