Van Nguyen

[NT TURBO]

  tab said:

  DallasQLD said:

Did anyone cry for the people killed on our roads yesterday?

Did anyone cry for the people who died in hospital yesterday?

Did anyone cry for the old ones who passed away in old peoples homes yesterday?

Did anyone cry for the guys killed fishing off the QLD coast yesterday?

Did anyone cry for ther man killed in the storm in Canberra yesterday?

Did anyone cry for Rchard Burns former WRC World rally champion?

Did anyone cry for the treckies killed in the head on on the HWY yesterday

Where was their 1 minute of silence?

GUESS WHAT -  NONE OF THEM WERE SMART ARSE DRUG SMUGGLERS.

The real question that we should be asking is why did Singapore wait 3 years to hang him?

We do get our priorities wrong somedays. The bleeding hearts on the TV yesterday, blubbering like they had lost their own were unbelievable -

Anyway they can go back to blubbering about land rights for *beep* whales now!

God only help us when we have a real disaster on our hands. They won't be able to keep up!

ahhh..... that feels much better , Get me a beer its hot!

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Did the government kill anyone in hospital yesterday?

Did the government kill anyone in old peoples homes yesterday?

Did the government kill anyone fishing off the QLD coast yesterday?

Did the government kill anyone in the storm in Canberra yesterday?

Did government kill Richard(and I can spell Richard) Burns former WRC World rally champion?

Did the government kill the truckie (can spell truck too)in the head on on the HWY yesterday?

Did a Gov kill Van whatever? YES

What the F does that have to do with it?

Flawed brain more like.

[tongueboy]

Officially sanctioned murder. Reading this.....no I will say nothing.

[drcook]

  NT TURBO said:

  tab said:

  DallasQLD said:

Did anyone cry for the people killed on our roads yesterday?

Did anyone cry for the people who died in hospital yesterday?

Did anyone cry for the old ones who passed away in old peoples homes yesterday?

Did anyone cry for the guys killed fishing off the QLD coast yesterday?

Did anyone cry for ther man killed in the storm in Canberra yesterday?

Did anyone cry for Rchard Burns former WRC World rally champion?

Did anyone cry for the treckies killed in the head on on the HWY yesterday

Where was their 1 minute of silence?

GUESS WHAT -  NONE OF THEM WERE SMART ARSE DRUG SMUGGLERS.

The real question that we should be asking is why did Singapore wait 3 years to hang him?

We do get our priorities wrong somedays. The bleeding hearts on the TV yesterday, blubbering like they had lost their own were unbelievable -

Anyway they can go back to blubbering about land rights for *beep* whales now!

God only help us when we have a real disaster on our hands. They won't be able to keep up!

ahhh..... that feels much better , Get me a beer its hot!

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Did the government kill anyone in hospital yesterday?

Did the government kill anyone in old peoples homes yesterday?

Did the government kill anyone fishing off the QLD coast yesterday?

Did the government kill anyone in the storm in Canberra yesterday?

Did government kill Richard(and I can spell Richard) Burns former WRC World rally champion?

Did the government kill the truckie (can spell truck too)in the head on on the HWY yesterday?

Did a Gov kill Van whatever? YES

What the F does that have to do with it?

Flawed brain more like.

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I assume what dallas is trying to purvey is that the bleeding hearts of this country make noise over this trial and execution but not over the 'everyday people' that die each day who, it could be argued, are more deserving of a minutes silence than a convicted drug trafficker. what is the message we are sending to the world

its ok to be a drug smuggler, as long as your an australian drug smuggler?

I am not in argument with your opinions NT turbo, because they are your opinion. my opinion, if anyone cares, is that he knew the punishment that was already established before he committed this crime, chose to commit the crime anyway and now has to face that punishment. and by all reports it taking it like a man.

yes this is horrible for his mother, brother, friends etc - but then it could be argued that he (van) should of thought of this before commiting the crime (again, knowing what punishment could be delivered if found guilty).

is this government sanctioned murder - yes. is that bad - that's one's opinion. the point is YOU cant change the world around you. if another country has decided that the punishment for a crime is death, and make it publicly aware that's the punishment, then you can only hope no one commits that crime, therefore no punishment to be handed out.

and in regards to someones statement earlier, stealing a loaf of bread is a minor crime, trying to import/export enough drugs for 26000 hits is not a MINOR CRIME.

I feel sorry for his situation (not him), I feel sorry for his family, but I feel more sorry for the baby's born with a drug addiction due to their mothers addiction.

[harvyk]

  NT TURBO said:

  tab said:

  DallasQLD said:

Did anyone cry for the people killed on our roads yesterday?

Did anyone cry for the people who died in hospital yesterday?

Did anyone cry for the old ones who passed away in old peoples homes yesterday?

Did anyone cry for the guys killed fishing off the QLD coast yesterday?

Did anyone cry for ther man killed in the storm in Canberra yesterday?

Did anyone cry for Rchard Burns former WRC World rally champion?

Did anyone cry for the treckies killed in the head on on the HWY yesterday

Where was their 1 minute of silence?

GUESS WHAT -  NONE OF THEM WERE SMART ARSE DRUG SMUGGLERS.

The real question that we should be asking is why did Singapore wait 3 years to hang him?

We do get our priorities wrong somedays. The bleeding hearts on the TV yesterday, blubbering like they had lost their own were unbelievable -

Anyway they can go back to blubbering about land rights for *beep* whales now!

God only help us when we have a real disaster on our hands. They won't be able to keep up!

ahhh..... that feels much better , Get me a beer its hot!

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Did the government kill anyone in hospital yesterday?

Did the government kill anyone in old peoples homes yesterday?

Did the government kill anyone fishing off the QLD coast yesterday?

Did the government kill anyone in the storm in Canberra yesterday?

Did government kill Richard(and I can spell Richard) Burns former WRC World rally champion?

Did the government kill the truckie (can spell truck too)in the head on on the HWY yesterday?

Did a Gov kill Van whatever? YES

What the F does that have to do with it?

Flawed brain more like.

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I think that is besides the point, wether the gov't killed them or not, from a point of view you could say Van Nguyen's death is an accident as it is an accident he got caught, that started the ball rolling in his death, once he had been caught his death was unavoidable... (As it turned out and according to Singapore law)

Ultimatly he is a convicted drug runner who received the appropriate punishment under Singapore law (wether we like it or not)... The only way I would even think about feeling sorry is if Singapore introduced the law specifically to kill Van Nguyen and then abolished it afterwards...

Up until the 1900's people in Australia where sentenced to death for non-murder crimes. The old Melbourne goal has a list of all those who where executed by the melbourne goal alone and their crimes, not everyone had on that list been a murder... Whilst we have now stopped this practise it has still only been a relatively brief amount of time... And since that date other civilised countries have actually re-instated the death penalty, you don't see us jumping up and down about them (until an aussie is on death row there)...

We each have our own point of view on the matter...

[MISSXR]

  NT TURBO said:

So murder by government order is ok?

WTF

No one MAKES these ppl use drugs they choose to. There will always be drugs, petrol metho whatever you cannot force ppl to take drugs, they choose to.

So their gov/legal system chose to murder someone. Call it law, call it war, its murder and the only person hurt was his family and freinds.

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Hey Mick - Drugs affect EVERYONE.

There is a bit of a problem and that is the fact that because drugs cost money and the fact that a lot of the people who use them don't have much it means things like Robbery, car theft, break n enter etc happen. These things effect everyone not only directly but indirectly(insurance costs, medical costs when things go wrong etc.) Not to mention those who are high and turn up to work and then go an operate a dangerous piece of equipment, an accidents do happen. I have no idea what the solution is, I would be supportive of something really like Chain gang type imprisonment have these people out working on roads or the like in 45 degree Summer temperatures. Something to try and make these people pay something back to the community. No free rides on the taxpayer. Problem is you have got to get these ideas past the media and arty crowd, that isn't easy because they don't like to support anything that is to harsh on anyone.

[phantomchic]

  MISSXR said:

  NT TURBO said:

So murder by government order is ok?

WTF

No one MAKES these ppl use drugs they choose to. There will always be drugs, petrol metho whatever you cannot force ppl to take drugs, they choose to.

So their gov/legal system chose to murder someone. Call it law, call it war, its murder and the only person hurt was his family and freinds.

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Hey Mick - Drugs affect EVERYONE.

There is a bit of a problem and that is the fact that because drugs cost money and the fact that a lot of the people who use them don't have much it means things like Robbery, car theft, break n enter etc happen. These things effect everyone not only directly but indirectly(insurance costs, medical costs when things go wrong etc.) Not to mention those who are high and turn up to work and then go an operate a dangerous piece of equipment, an accidents do happen. I have no idea what the solution is, I would be supportive of something really like Chain gang type imprisonment have these people out working on roads or the like in 45 degree Summer temperatures. Something to try and make these people pay something back to the community. No free rides on the taxpayer. Problem is you have got to get these ideas past the media and arty crowd, that isn't easy because they don't like to support anything that is to harsh on anyone.

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I disagree with pre-meditated murder aka execution and agree that convicted criminals should be working for the community.

However when travelling to another country the written information you are given is crystal clear as to the laws in the country of destination.

regarding drugs - the youth in particular who become addicted are a prime target for the traffikers, which often starts the viscious circle of crime to pay for the drugs not forgetting the number of deaths from over dose or "bad" drugs (are any good?) .. always affecting parents and families whether the users live or die. Then there is the cost for rehab, jail, medical etc etc

Whether or not I agree with another countries laws at least they are taking a firm stand and action.

IMO Drugs cause no end of dillemas and heartache.

shazzy

[F6 UTE]

  NT TURBO said:

Did a Gov kill Van whatever? YES

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And rightly so.

Did Van drug runner care what he was going to do to THOUSANDS of ppl by running drugs? NO. He cared for his own well being and gains. Could he care less about the ppl's lives he indirectly effected by choosing to go against the LAW of a country? NO.

It was a selfish act, and who says he hadn't done it before??

Good riddance.

[NT TURBO]

I agree drugs are evil and do cause immeasurable social damage, but I dont believe anyone walking this planet has the right to take another human life.

[sbr79]

AND WHY should I feel sorry for his mother, when VAN Nuygen didn't, he obviously didn't love her enough to not do something that could and did take his life ferom her. I wonder if she loves his brother more now, considering he killed him by having a so called GAMBLING DEBT, must be a moral dilema for the mother I would guess........

He got what he deserved, if I were his father, and he came back to life I would kill him again for hurting his mother like that. Then I would turn on his brother for killing his brother.

[Guest]

This is going to be talked about for ages,

I for one can appreciate, and therefore the respect the laws as to which a country is governed by, including capital punishment, should they so choose.

I often wonder though how a country that incorporates capital punishment, establishes it's guidlines that determine appropriate punishment to the crime committed.

The Singaporean Government stated that they were unable to relent on the sentence passed down as it is a strong deterrent to the trafficking of illicit substances.

I question the 'overall' effectiveness of the death penalty in the case of Van Nguyen, and those alike.

It would be safe to say that the major Asian syndicates using Australia as a key distribution outlet, did not stop for one second to rethink any of the consequences when the clock struck 0900hrs EST, Friday 2nd December 2005. Nor will they when the next courier is caught in transit.

Practising the Death Penalty should be done so on a case by case basis. I can perhaps think of two key points that could have weighed in Mr Nguyens favour if the MANDATORY was a DISCRETIONARY Death Sentence.

1. The Overall Greater Objective

(targetting drug syndicates at the source and eliminating)

2. Statistical Evidence of past and current trends to validify it's DETERRING properties

I don't sympathize for Van Nguyen as an individual, but I disgree in the death penalty, in this situation, especially when its said,

'this sends a clear message' or 'in future, deter others'

If Australia did bring online the death penalty, I'd prey that the legislation that it follows is iron clad, bullet proof and only on a case by case basis.

IMHO, Murders, Rapists, Paedophiles only after proven inexcusably guilty, would all suitable candidates.

What better deterrent to other offenders (like the individual that was recently charged for the callous, brutal attack on 18yr old Lauren Huxley) is there when you can permanently prevent that person offending again.

Regards,

Darren.