Dannopower Donating Members 421 Member For: 19y 6m 6d Gender: Male Location: Canberra ACT Posted 27/11/05 10:15 AM Share Posted 27/11/05 10:15 AM Just read a post from another guy who has installed the Hyperflow intercooler, like I put in mine 4 weeks ago. Like all replacement intercoolers I have looked at that are claimed "Direct replacement", Its certainly not the case for a majority of manufacturers. Im sure everyone that has fitted one themselves (depending on how good of a job they did) will agree. There seems to be similar problems with the majorityIn my opinion, there is 2 options, one is to spend good $$$ and buy a good one that is an absolute mongrel to fit. Coolers like the Hyperflow, ASE, PWR etc, top quality, but installation issues with all of them.The second is to spend less $$$ on a cheaper one that may fit a little easier. I have seen some coolers that fit in easily but the workmanship is ordinary. In fact, they look like something some chinese guy has built sitting cross legged in the dirt using coke cans and a bic cigarette lighter as a TIG welder. Anyway, After doing some homework, I bought the Hyperflow one, and thought I'd share a list of things that I did during the installation to get it to fit and operate. Throughout the entire installation, as you guys will probably realize, I wanted everything to be in neatly, and without ANY risk of the cooler touching anything like the front chassis, or the air con.The Hyperflow has a 100mm core thickness, which combined with the overall length of the cooler was never going to fit in between the air conditioner core and the rear of the front chassis rail, which at the outside measured 99mm as it was. So, Out came the angle grinder, and 45mins and a grinding disk later, I had enough space to allow 4mm clearance at the front and back of the cooler. To neaten up the sharp edges of the chassis rail, and as a preventative measure of any risk of rubbing, I used some pinch weld from Clark rubber, to line the ground front edge of the chassis, and the bottom leading edge of the air conditioner core. the results can be seen in the pics below. Another obvious thing was in going to be trouble was the power steering cooler. Since I had a late 04 mk1, the cooler was located at the top. I tried the old turn them around trick, but it still wasnt enough. I had to take the brackets off, grind everything below the rubber mounting bolt off so it didnt touch the air conditioner core, then re bend them on a much more acute angle to get it to fit as high and as far back as I could safely install them without any risk of tapping on the air con or the top of the cooler (4mm Clearance). You can see the finished position in the above second picure.Second problem was the pipe on the side of the cooler. This looks trick, but is really nothing more than a pain in the bum when it comes to installing it. The angles of the bends are not right. This causes a heap of problems, see the pics.Biggest problem is the installation position being incorrect. The cooler is supplied with 3 fixing brackets, one on each side and another that is in the centre of the top. The alloy pipe angles really predetermine the mounting position, as the pic shows the intercooler sitting in using the brackets supplied. There is no way to get it right without doing one of 2 things, cut the alloy intercooler pipe and re weld it in the correct place, or re-make the mounting brackets for the cooler, sitting it up 20mm higher and 15mm back from where they said it would bolt into. Its a lot easier to make new brackets, so I did, all 3. After a lot, and I mean a real lot, of bad language, this is the result.You will notice the piece of timber wedged behind the cooler. I used this to make sure there was no matter what going to be a 4mm clearance space between the air con core and the cooler. There is another wedged in front between the chassis rail, but its not visible. These were of course removed once all the holding brackets were done up tight and the hose connected.The silicon hose reducer they give you is not the right size to fit to the cast corner under the headlight. Its about an inch too short, and way too loose on the pipe itself. You will notice I have inserted a rubber hose sleeve over the cast corner to build up the clearance (about 2.5mm too much). I couldnt get the silicon hose to fit any better than the pic shows. Its working fine, with no leaks what so ever thanks to some decent hose clamps.This is what the end result looked like before the bar and headlight were replaced.The round piece on the top right of the cooler is a threaded section to fix the horn bracket to. But since I had to lift the entire cooler higher to fit in, they needed a new custom made bracket to fit in as well.The thing that also became a concern, is that when the front bar and undertray went on, the actual bottom intercooler tank and pipe was pushing it down, and I couldnt put some of the undertray screws in as they would have either screwed into the tank or the hose! Imagine if I had not raised the brackets up by 20mm, there is NO WAY the undertray would have gone back on! I dont know how the manufacturers managed!And finally, this back to street trim. It was dynod and checked the afr's remained safe, which they did. The max power gained was about 6kw but it was reliability I was after, and it was the thing that changed the most. Before, it would loose around 5rwkw every dyno run done in succession, down to about 25rwkw down once it was hot. Now, after 5 consecutive passes, it actually gained on the second pass, but the difference between the max and minimum was only 5 rwkw.I thing with a retune, it will make more use of the new cooler, and maybe a pipe upgrade will help use the air flow much better, as the stock pipes are a real restriction.Hope you guys enjoy ther read! And good luck to anyone putting one in! I dont know how any workshop would charge for this level of installation workmanship (they wouldnt go to the trouble I did) as im no slouch with the tools and it took me 10 hours from start to finish, including bracket fabrication and painting, grinding and checking and double checking everything. If a workshop offers to install it for $200-$300, then im not sure what sort of a job you would get.Best of luck anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FR33DY Member 307 Member For: 19y 9m 18d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 27/11/05 10:55 AM Share Posted 27/11/05 10:55 AM very good post, makes me think twice about doing a intercooler install with out some help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BALLBREAKER Member 427 Member For: 19y 5m 23d Gender: Male Posted 27/11/05 11:05 AM Share Posted 27/11/05 11:05 AM I fitted same cooler same probs exact but 1 extra . Left hand head light very tight & I have about half inch gap from bottom of head lamp to top of bar looks sh*t.But after fitting cooler & actuater up 60 rwkw but it dosnt look as good as typhoon cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannopower Donating Members 421 Member For: 19y 6m 6d Gender: Male Location: Canberra ACT Posted 27/11/05 09:46 PM Author Share Posted 27/11/05 09:46 PM I fitted same cooler same probs exact but 1 extra . Left hand head light very tight & I have about half inch gap from bottom of head lamp to top of bar looks sh*t.But after fitting cooler & actuater up 60 rwkw but it dosnt look as good as typhoon cooler. yeah, the silicon hose was a problem under the headlight, I had to loosen all the alloy casting bolts and wiggle the casting around to get the silicon hose around further to the grille area to stop that. It was a bit of a bas*ard, I had to take the battery and battery tray out to do it, and redrill a hole to re-situate the alloy casting mounting pins. The gap under my headlight is only 6-8mm.I like the look of it, its sits in the centre and sits level, which is something a lot of other coolers have struggled with. Certainly gets peoples attention more, and it kicks the typhoon cooler as far as cooling and flow capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugster70 Donating Members 1,326 Member For: 19y 7m 10d Location: Canberra Posted 27/11/05 11:27 PM Share Posted 27/11/05 11:27 PM That's one damn impressive installation job Danno, well done!! You never fail to impress me with your ability to handle a few tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannopower Donating Members 421 Member For: 19y 6m 6d Gender: Male Location: Canberra ACT Posted 28/11/05 04:30 AM Author Share Posted 28/11/05 04:30 AM That's one damn impressive installation job Danno, well done!! You never fail to impress me with your ability to handle a few tools. Thanks mate!You should see what I can do with a few woodworking tools buddy!!!I think for a woodworkshop I seem to do ok with the engineering too! hahah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugster70 Donating Members 1,326 Member For: 19y 7m 10d Location: Canberra Posted 28/11/05 04:35 AM Share Posted 28/11/05 04:35 AM Trust, I HAVE seen what you can do with some woodworking tools and the results are jaw dropping. I think I told you that my brother spent quite a bit at your place - the stuff looks awesome, it's just out of my price range!! But if I'm ever in the market for an aftermarket IC and even think about installing it myself, expect a PM from me mate!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannopower Donating Members 421 Member For: 19y 6m 6d Gender: Male Location: Canberra ACT Posted 28/11/05 04:47 AM Author Share Posted 28/11/05 04:47 AM No Probs mate, I can honestly say I can carefully and neatly pull your entire front bar off and stock intercooler out in 45 mins!Just putting the new one in that's a bas*ard!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingah2 Crusty aviator Member 846 Member For: 20y 5m 23d Gender: Male Location: ACT Posted 28/11/05 06:46 AM Share Posted 28/11/05 06:46 AM But Buggy why on earth would you want an I/c in timber????Dingah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Moar Powar Babeh Lifetime Members 19,323 Member For: 19y 2m 19d Gender: Male Location: Perth Posted 28/11/05 08:00 AM Share Posted 28/11/05 08:00 AM I hear that in timber coolers Twig and Branch is waaaay better than Leaf and stem for cooling...what do u guys reckon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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