Xr6 Mods

[XR6ISM]

Personally id be going an APS Phase 1 with the Unichip.... wil give you approx 240rwkw, enough for the time being, and all the parts can be taken to your new car. From what I have heard you can only custom tune the edit 5 times, meaning that your 2 down by the time you get your BF, where as a chip is plug and play.

As for the argument that the edit is more stealth, if you want to keep your warranty with a chip, just unplug it....sure your car may run like a dog, but there are effectively no mods. With the Edit you need to re-flash the standard ECU and according to a couple people I have spoken to, including some dealers, the Edit can be detected.

Even though this forum has turned edit only, you will find that there are still a good number of chipped cars that pull some decent times.

Either way, regarless of whether you go edit or chip, both a performance enhancing which is great, and I am sure you will enjoy whichever option you end up with.

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That's incorrect. You can custom tune the edit as many times as you like.

If you buy the unichip you WILL need a custom tune which means its going to cost more than an edit straight up.

With the edit you can drive around on the generic tunes (yes tunes not tune I.e. unichip) and when you're ready go and get a custom tune.

If you go the unichip you'll also want to increase the line pressure through your auto with an addition of a shiftkit which is more $$ whereas this is all configured through the edit.

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Funny you say that because I heard form a number of people that the amount of times you can custom tune your edit is limited.....if I recall correctly, there was even a couple posts up on this forum about that issue.

Either way, im not here to argue Chip VS Edit.....Ive got a chip and it does the job well with no problems. I dont regret it nor would I take it out and but the edit in !! However, I do respect the fact that the edit will increase the performance of the car, as does the chip (which some people forget on this forum).

Anyhow, what I would suggest simonparker, would be to find yourself somebody with edit, find yourself somebody with chip, and take a spin in both....decide for yourself as alot of opinions on forums are bias.

With that being said, I missed where you are located, if your in syd, PM me and id be more then happy to take you for a spin in my car.

[bugster70]

Good advice XR6ISM. I'm also not here to debate Unichip vs Edit but thought I should clear up this confusion re Edit.

Once the flash tuner box is used on a car for the first time, it becomes VIN locked to that car ie. it can only be used on that car until it is sent back to CAPA to be reset for use on another vehicle. It is this resetting process that can only be done 5 times.

As for custom tunes, once the box is being used on a vehicle, you can write and rewrite to the box's 3 custom tune slots (ie. the P1, P2 and P3 slots) as many times as you like. The factory map that was downloaded the first time the box was used (into the 'F' slot) can not be changed until the box is reset, but the 3 custom tune slots can be fiddled with ad infinitum with no effect on the box.

Does that make sense?

[veczar]

Can't Ford dealers see EDIT because they can tell when the car was last flashed meaning that if you take it to a dealer and it sayd it was flashed the day before they know you re-flashed it back to std tune?

[bugster70]

Can't Ford dealers see EDIT because they can tell when the car was last flashed meaning that if you take it to a dealer and it sayd it was flashed the day before they know you re-flashed it back to std tune?

My understanding is that Ford cannot tell that Edit has been used if the car is flashed back to stock ie. I don't think the ECU can tell them when it was last reflashed, but somebody feel free to correct me if they know I'm wrong!

The problem is that you can only download your factory map once - to do it again will require the box to be reset by CAPA. So if Ford decide to reflah your car with a later version of software and you then load up one of your custom tunes, that updated Ford flash is gone. When you reload the factory map, it will be the original version you donwloaded and if Ford then take a look they will see it's the old version, they will know they flashed your car with the later version, and can then work out you have been using Edit. That's why I've asked for them NOT to reflash my car!

[XR6ISM]

from my understanding and from what I have heard (and been told) ford can detect the Edit in the cars. It has to do with the revision dates between current and old releases or something like that. I had a good 30 min conversation with somebody a while back that explained it all to me and to sum it up, they can detect it.

[Eugene]

from my understanding and from what I have heard (and been told) ford can detect the Edit in the cars. It has to do with the revision dates between current and old releases or something like that. I had a good 30 min conversation with somebody a while back that explained it all to me and to sum it up, they can detect it.

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IF it is in the car, and the dealer knows the car, and knows what update it should have, then yes, they can see it.

I was at adealers yesterday, happily told them I have edit, after all, an APS exhaust, intercooler, injectors and scond CAI are a fair bet its there, the techo says, "edit or Chip?"

I say both, he askes how it goes etc, when he was finished he asked if he could plug in the WDS and "find the edit", sure I say, but dont flash me.

About 1 min after pluging in he points out the spot where they can "Find" the edit.

There is a section there which shows them what upday your car has in it, a short series of numbers that end in a letter, first series cars were A, then to B, then C (which mine is) and just out is D.

With the edit IN, my car came up with an "A" prefix, this is the first "update" or flash, My car being a 8/04 buils should have a "B" series update, Bingo.

When I put it back to Stock, it cam up as a "C" update, as it should.

The ford guys have been told and I qoute, " look for out of date prefixes in the flash, all cars with edit installed will have an "A" prefix, if they are flashed back to stock, check that the build date matches the update"

He also said, "under ford instructions, do all waranty claims as per usual, unless it is engine/driveline and the car is modded"

Now please dont hang me if I got some of the terminoligy wrong, I was looking over his shoulder and watched him do it, he was a very helpful guy who happily replaced the cooler line on my transmission cooler (aftermarket) which had split, no cost to me.

I now know where my service work and my new BF will be coming from.

As for moding your car, EDIT, custom tune, and if your feeling rich, and APS exhaust, all of which (bar tune) you can keep for your BF.

Enjoy, and be prepaired to want more and more and more and more and more and more power, I know I did.

[bugster70]

Thanks for that Eugene, I stand corrected! That is the most convincing post I have yet seen that dealers can in fact detect Edit. It remains one of those hotly debated issues and nobody had yet, to the best of my knowledge, come up with a convincing reason as to why/how it can be detected.

That's great info and you should start up a separate thread on that, I'm sure there's plenty of members out there who would love to know that.

[Eugene]

Why Shucks Buggy, Thanks, I will copy and paste into anew thread, in the Capa section no less.

[bugster70]

Good man, thanks!

[Master G]

I have to agree with XR6ISM on this point, its fair enough that people support the product they use to incease power in their car and of course like supporting a sporting team people are going to take sides and wave their flags, but sheesh appreciate we are all in the game.

That being said some of us using the Chip are still running good times and some of using the Edit are running crap times, and Vice Versa.

Let me simply put forward some areas for sure where the Unichip (or Unijip) as you like to refer it has the edge.

1. It can be removed and is Not detectable by a Ford Dealer once it has, unlike the edit.

2. It can be used pretty much in any modern car regardless of make, can the edit? Nope...

So if I was using a company car where mods need to be totally stealth or upgrading regularly through different cars the Unichip comes out on top.

And yes the Edit has its own benefits, we have all heard enough of those. Appreciate the fact they both have pro's and cons.

Still I return to my thoughts that whether a car is chipped or edited, the fact its a FORD that goes quickly its a good thing.

Regards

M G

PS. WSID proven Chip in my car