W.a Gets Wogged.

[bugster70]

This may be a little off topic but the torque based throttle sounds very interesting. 

Could you please tell us a little more about this function and what it will achieve for the user/customer.

Thanks in advance.

I'd be interested to learn more too, but perhaps we should start up another thread on that?

[Nizpro]

Sorry Nick if you were under the impression that our Turbo Focus kits were two weeks away, I don’t believe I said this too you. We are still some time away. Our proto- type is up and running but I am not going to rush into a production run if demand is not there .To do this type of an exercise costs many many tens of thousands of dollars.

I hope you would understand that it was I who went out and paid the 32k for the Focus so we could have one here when Jerry arrived from the U.S, So I have to say I'm not all that surprised that I was able to look and play with some software before yourself Nick.

I'm sure that the money I have spent will befits you down the track.

Simon

[Street Tuner]

dw....could this be the problem? give me access to the other tables lurking in the back ground as they are more important than the ones we have access to! JUST LIKE GAINING ACCESS TO KNOCK TABLES HAS BEEN USEFULL PITTY IT TOOK SOMEONE ELSE TO ACHEIVE THIS!

Nick, I upgraded your software to User Level 4 (highest level) on the Melbourne training day. To achieve a user level upgrade a special 50 character key is required for registration of the software - which Jerry supplied on the day and only SCT can generate. Which is why I know for a fact that since you left that training day your Advantage executable files have not been upgraded...as you would need another key, and we monitor who, why, and when so we can keep track of the software. There has been no key generation for XTC since then, and indeed their shouldnt be, as you had the highest possible user level, and the latest version of executeable software.

However, we also update the database - which contains all of the program information and tables - on a regular basis, with each and every dealer being notified via email when a new database has been generated, and then tested ready for distribution. This database can then be downloaded from the CAPA FTP site for immediate use. I checked that you are indeed on the email list, and sure enough Tim from CAPA emails the xtcaust@smartchat email address with instructions on how to update your system each and every time a database is released. Possibly this email address is no longer valid, in which case you need to update it with CAPA, as they cannot guess this kind of thing. Maybe after seeing that Barry had a later version of the database you might have rung them and asked why you didnt have it? There has been no logged support call at CAPA from XTC on this subject.

dw....you may just provide the tool kit  but can't do much with most tools missing!!! hamburger with the lot and descriptions with out the mistakes will do fine!!! eg:knock boost retard, speed based tables, trans temp tables, limp mode tables/sclars to start with could be helpfull!!!

While it would be nice to list every single feature of the stock PCM in software, we dont, for a number of reasons. The biggest is 'if it aint broke dont fix it'. I note that you currently claim to be adjusting knock sensor gains since they have become available, which is an area fraught with peril unless you have the sophisticated lab style equipment to perform the calibration. This feature was added for Nizpro since they do in fact have the in-cylinder pressure transducers required for calibration, and have 500rwkw+ engines with internal harmonics far removed from standard that demand this unique feature. As such we have made this feature available for everyone on User Level 4 to access.

How did Nizpro get us to do this? They simply logged a request with a detailed engineering explanation of what they required, and why, at which stage the database was modified to suit. If you have a specific software requirement then I ask that you follow the same procedure. Outline exactly what it is you require, and why you require it (we need to understand what you are trying to do so the correct variables can be added), and it will be done in a timely fashion.

Still existing functionality has allowed some incredible achievements. There are plenty around that consider the current revision database to have everything required for even the most modified of engines. The fact that street driven 9 second XR6Ts have been made a reality by CAPA Flash Tuning points towards the effectiveness of its overall functionality.

dw....as stated before on this site I'd rather a full set of sidcrome than a .25 set of snap on

Like any other tool kit Nick, the real skill is in using the right sized spanner on the right sized bolt.

Edited 10/11/05 12:38 AM by Street Tuner

[Guest]

JUST LIKE GAINING ACCESS TO KNOCK TABLES HAS BEEN USEFULL PITTY IT TOOK SOMEONE ELSE TO ACHEIVE THIS!

DW, could I just confirm that you DIDN'T have access to this when you were in the ACT? In other words, our knock sensors are still enabled 'cos that's what the factory/base tunes had?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

yes buggster you are correct although the knock tables I was given were only upto 4cyl so unsure if they were effective or not???

infact I left a map for barry and apc to play with for f6 tornado that has the vc procesor code and I had to tell it that there were 2 knock sensors not 1 as it was incorect but did so prior to upgraded files received from barry!

top bloke barry for you wa folk!!!

[Guest]

Sorry Nick if you were under the impression that our Turbo Focus kits were two weeks away, I don’t believe I said this too you. We are still some time away. Our proto- type is up and running but I am not going to rush into a production run if demand is not there .To do this type of an exercise costs many many tens of thousands of dollars.

I hope you would understand that it was I who went out and paid the 32k for the Focus so we could have one here when Jerry arrived from the U.S, So I have to say I'm not all that surprised that I was able to look and play with some software before yourself Nick.

I'm sure that the money I have spent will befits you down the track.

Simon

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

simon it was not you it was someone else that said the software would be ready in 2 weeks and in no way was I taking a swipe just digging for info on current due date if you like I have this focus kit from the states ready to go on ill get it from the customer and you can have a look see!

although you would probibly do a better job than the yanks did!!!

[Guest]

dw....could this be the problem? give me access to the other tables lurking in the back ground as they are more important than the ones we have access to! JUST LIKE GAINING ACCESS TO KNOCK TABLES HAS BEEN USEFULL PITTY IT TOOK SOMEONE ELSE TO ACHEIVE THIS!

Nick, I upgraded your software to User Level 4 (highest level) on the Melbourne training day. To achieve a user level upgrade a special 50 character key is required for registration of the software - which Jerry supplied on the day and only SCT can generate. Which is why I know for a fact that since you left that training day your Advantage executable files have not been upgraded...as you would need another key, and we monitor who, why, and when so we can keep track of the software. There has been no key generation for XTC since then, and indeed their shouldnt be, as you had the highest possible user level, and the latest version of executeable software.

dw....haveth no idea what barry did best I call him to find out as he used no key but what he did seemed to work and now my version says 2.814 where yo said I had 2.9???

this I cant say!!!

However, we also update the database - which contains all of the program information and tables - on a regular basis, with each and every dealer being notified via email when a new database has been generated, and then tested ready for distribution. This database can then be downloaded from the CAPA FTP site for immediate use. I checked that you are indeed on the email list, and sure enough Tim from CAPA emails the xtcaust@smartchat email address with instructions on how to update your system each and every time a database is released.

dw....I already said I got these emails earlier in this thread!!!

Possibly this email address is no longer valid, in which case you need to update it with CAPA, as they cannot guess this kind of thing. Maybe after seeing that Barry had a later version of the database you might have rung them and asked why you didnt have it? There has been no logged support call at CAPA from XTC on this subject.

dw....email current, no calls made as I had said too! there was no need as it was resolved

dw....you may just provide the tool kit  but can't do much with most tools missing!!! hamburger with the lot and descriptions with out the mistakes will do fine!!! eg:knock boost retard, speed based tables, trans temp tables, limp mode tables/sclars to start with could be helpfull!!!

While it would be nice to list every single feature of the stock PCM in software, we dont, for a number of reasons. The biggest is 'if it aint broke dont fix it'. I note that you currently claim to be adjusting knock sensor gains since they have become available, which is an area fraught with peril unless you have the sophisticated lab style equipment to perform the calibration.

dw....or if you state it to say you were doing so to check functionality or if you have a knock in a bottom end that triggers knock retard and knock boost retard!

This feature was added for Nizpro since they do in fact have the in-cylinder pressure transducers required for calibration, and have 500rwkw+ engines with internal harmonics far removed from standard that demand this unique feature. As such we have made this feature available for everyone on User Level 4 to access.

How did Nizpro get us to do this? They simply logged a request with a detailed engineering explanation of what they required, and why, at which stage the database was modified to suit. If you have a specific software requirement then I ask that you follow the same procedure. Outline exactly what it is you require, and why you require it (we need to understand what you are trying to do so the correct variables can be added), and it will be done in a timely fashion.

Still existing functionality has allowed some incredible achievements. There are plenty around that consider the current revision database to have everything required for even the most modified of engines. The fact that street driven 9 second XR6Ts have been made a reality by CAPA Flash Tuning points towards the effectiveness of its overall functionality.

dw....as stated before on this site I'd rather a full set of sidcrome than a .25 set of snap on

Like any other tool kit Nick, the real skill is in using the right sized spanner on the right sized bolt.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

[Street Tuner]

infact I left a map for barry and apc to play with for f6 tornado that has the vc procesor code and I had to tell it that there were 2 knock sensors not 1 as it was incorect but did so prior to upgraded files received from barry!

top bloke barry for you wa folk!!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nick, you might want to have a closer look at a BA F6 Typhoon/Tornado. They only have one knock sensor, so the software was quite correct.......

[Guest]

infact I left a map for barry and apc to play with for f6 tornado that has the vc procesor code and I had to tell it that there were 2 knock sensors not 1 as it was incorect but did so prior to upgraded files received from barry!

top bloke barry for you wa folk!!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Nick, you might want to have a closer look at a BA F6 Typhoon/Tornado. They only have one knock sensor, so the software was quite correct.......

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

to be honest I did not look at the f6 of greg or ben but the 2 I did here for a race team with ford backing using ford software had 2 hence my surprise to see only one activated!!!!

my apologys if so!

and if so can both ben and greg pls check on a hoist how many they have as if only one ill need to change that!

if 2 we can leave it !!!

[Street Tuner]

and if so can both ben and greg pls check on a hoist how many they have as if only one ill need to change that!

if 2 we can leave it !!!

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Nick, all BA Falcon 240 and 270 Gull engines (XR6T and Typhoon) have always only ever had one knock sensor. that's a pretty fundamental piece of understanding. Just like they have six cylinders, not seven.

Activating a second non-existant knock sensor as done in your example will instigate a PCM fault condition (it believes the second knock sensor must be faulty as it receives no program response) which will immediately reduce engine timing by a preset protection amount, and hence decrease performance to save any potential engine damage from a 'dead' second knock sensor.

Now be very careful when you fix these customers programs, as you have no doubt tuned around the fault condition (it takes out around 6 degrees of total ignition timing), which will no longer exist when you correctly tell the system it only has one knock sensor again. Hence they will have around 6 degrees more ignition timing, which will put them very close to (over) the knock threshold of the engine. The reality is that you will need to retune these cars to ensure correct operation.

Your best bet would be to book them in for a retune next time you are in Perth, and run them on the factory map until then, as I am not totally sure of any other side affects this may have on the PCM hence engine operation.

Edited 10/11/05 06:00 AM by Street Tuner

[BAturb]

the conclusion I have come to is dont buy a car from SA as they seem to be poorly built,

that is except for a select few, where were they tuned again?!!!