Idle

[Xtreme F6]

  dingah2 said:

I've got the very latest Ford flash on my PCM (thanks Wog!) and it gives about 2 seconds to 2000RPM then straight down to a cold idle of about 1100RPM.

Dingah

If you have a tune then it wont be using the latest flash dingah its using what ever the tune you have in the car has got programmed into it

[jetute]

  Street Tuner said:

This start up flare is easily controlled (increased or decreased) by a competent Edit Tuner.

I would have thought that all Edit tuners should be competent?? Wouldnt CAPA train all edit dealers to use the full extent of the edits capabilities before giving it to the dealer??

Is each Edit tuner taught how to operate the edit when they sign up to become a dealer?? Just asking because you refer to competent edit dealers.

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  Xtreme F6 said:

  dingah2 said:

I've got the very latest Ford flash on my PCM (thanks Wog!) and it gives about 2 seconds to 2000RPM then straight down to a cold idle of about 1100RPM.

Dingah

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If you have a tune then it wont be using the latest flash dingah its using what ever the tune you have in the car has got programmed into it

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beg to differ there a little simon and martin as a std course some of us have all our base tunes set up to avoid this but as the edit does not change evey parameter available to ford what is not in the current edit remains stock!!!

ie: flash tune a into car one = no idle drama then repeat this with car 2 = idle drama same tune flashed!!!

must say thanks to barry batton for help in resolving some advantage glitches in an info sharing session between 3 good tuners here in wa!!!!

[Xtreme F6]

  Dynowog said:

  Xtreme F6 said:

  dingah2 said:

I've got the very latest Ford flash on my PCM (thanks Wog!) and it gives about 2 seconds to 2000RPM then straight down to a cold idle of about 1100RPM.

Dingah

If you have a tune then it wont be using the latest flash dingah its using what ever the tune you have in the car has got programmed into it

beg to differ there a little simon and martin as a std course some of us have all our base tunes set up to avoid this but as the edit does not change evey parameter available to ford what is not in the current edit remains stock!!!

ie: flash tune a into car one = no idle drama then repeat this with car 2 = idle drama same tune flashed!!!

must say thanks to barry batton for help in resolving some advantage glitches in an info sharing session between 3 good tuners here in wa!!!!

I dont quite follow you, are you saying you dont have access to the idle maps in your software?

Dingah said his car was flaring on start up, that's something we can adjust, its not using the stock ford software to control this, its using what ever is in his tune as its reference. Not the ford files but the tuning files of his tunes.

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  Xtreme F6 said:

  Dynowog said:

  Xtreme F6 said:

  dingah2 said:

I've got the very latest Ford flash on my PCM (thanks Wog!) and it gives about 2 seconds to 2000RPM then straight down to a cold idle of about 1100RPM.

Dingah

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If you have a tune then it wont be using the latest flash dingah its using what ever the tune you have in the car has got programmed into it

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

beg to differ there a little simon and martin as a std course some of us have all our base tunes set up to avoid this but as the edit does not change evey parameter available to ford what is not in the current edit remains stock!!!

ie: flash tune a into car one = no idle drama then repeat this with car 2 = idle drama same tune flashed!!!

must say thanks to barry batton for help in resolving some advantage glitches in an info sharing session between 3 good tuners here in wa!!!!

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I dont quite follow you, are you saying you dont have access to the idle maps in your software?

Dingah said his car was flaring on start up, that's something we can adjust, its not using the stock ford software to control this, its using what ever is in his tune as its reference. Not the ford files but the tuning files of his tunes.

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please reread!!

[Xtreme F6]

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please reread!!

Ive read it and I understand what you are saying.. What im saying is, his car sint using the ford reflash he had for idle anymore, ITS using the TUNE. Yes obviously some cars will idle differently and need some tweeking, Im not disputing this, I was saying this to beginw ith and you said I was wrong. When you flash the car with a tune it then uses the idle settings that have been put into it, Not ones that are in there originally.

[jetute]

  Xtreme F6 said:

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please reread!!

Ive read it and I understand what you are saying.. What im saying is, his car sint using the ford reflash he had for idle anymore, ITS using the TUNE. Yes obviously some cars will idle differently and need some tweeking, Im not disputing this, I was saying this to beginw ith and you said I was wrong. When you flash the car with a tune it then uses the idle settings that have been put into it, Not ones that are in there originally.

I see what you are syaing... But if I get you to custom tune my car, can you custom tune paramters that I want you to custom tune. And if I ask you to leave the factory cold start as it is, can you do it??

so what Im asking is... can you tune a car and not touch some parts of the factory parameters?

[Street Tuner]

  Dynowog said:

must say thanks to barry batton for help in resolving some advantage glitches in an info sharing session between 3 good tuners here in wa!!!!

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Didnt understand much of what you wrote Nick...but tell me more about these glitches? Remember the story about the tradesman and their tools

[jetute]

  jetute said:

  Street Tuner said:

This start up flare is easily controlled (increased or decreased) by a competent Edit Tuner.

I would have thought that all Edit tuners should be competent?? Wouldnt CAPA train all edit dealers to use the full extent of the edits capabilities before giving it to the dealer??

Is each Edit tuner taught how to operate the edit when they sign up to become a dealer?? Just asking because you refer to competent edit dealers.

well?

[Street Tuner]

  jetute said:

well?

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Well what?

I believe that any dealer that cannot refer to page 20 of the CAPA 'Advanced Ford Flash Traning Manual' and read -

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"If the vehicle has just been started up there is a table that mlutiplies the air needed to attain the desired rpm. This table is a function of how long the engine has been running and the current coolant temperature. There is a separate table for for drive and neutral; these tables are called 'air flow multiplier in drive/neutral'."

"These tables are for adding more rpm on the initial startup to allow the engine to run up as well as to compensate for increased engine friction at startup."

PAGES 21-23 then provide detailed examples of how these tables work, and the mistake that Ford Aus made in the table calibration to cause the XR6T to flare on startup.

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Any tuner that cannot read and understand that I would have problems with granting any sort of basic competency. My point here is that all of those I know understand this perfectly. Some will admit that its a 2 minute job, a small majority of others though might like to embellish it a little for their own fame and fortune.

Either way I dont really care. The function is there, and it works fine.

Maybe competent wasnt the right word to use.....