The 'possible' Future Of Modifications. Ver 1.1

[cunners]

Um... yeah.....

What they said....

[-carty]

study partner?

me, study, never happened... still got band 3 in hsc though

[mickq]

Yes, of course it is.

Any program can be run on anything - all it depends on is how much code change is needed. The amount needed depends on a few main things - whether the software is well written in the first place, the language in which it was written, and whether it is written in such a way as to be easily portable between platforms.

The CPU is, in general, not very relevant. When the software is compiled the compiler will (typically) convert the code to cpu-specific binaries. The output will vary according to which cpu platform you compile it for. In fact even that's not 100% accurate, because if you write the application REALLY well and do your compiling well, then for mobiles, the SAME executables can run on both Smartphone and Pocket PC.

I am assuming you are talking about the Edit software being ported to a portable device like PDA or similar?

  DARREN said:

Hi all,

Got a quick question, with a no doubt an answer that will make no real sense to most of us, but will to those on the forum that are versed in Microsoft Windows and software programming, or as an alternative 'know of' a small, but capable, software development company.

Currently most of us that have a home PC or alaptop are running a Windows Operating System, be it NT or XP Home/Professional.

Similarly Pocket PC or PDA's with phone capabilities will be have a version of Windows called 'MOBILE' and the lastest variant is 'version 5.0'

I want to know how:

Is it possible to run an a Windows based program (PC/Laptop) with alterations in its programming and source codes so it will be compatible and capable of being installed onto Windows Mobile (PPC/PDA) so long as it meets the processing speed and storage requirements.

(see told you it was going to be a quick question )

I've got a few ideas, but won't let cat out of the bag yet, that could prove to be 'unequivically boundless ' for those who are, who have and who think about, modifying their cars!

Appreciate all feedback, IT guru or not.

Thanks Darren.

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[Ralph Wiggum]

ive only really got one thing to add to this thread ....HUH?!?

[F6 UTE]

  mickq said:

Yes, of course it is.

Any program can be run on anything - all it depends on is how much code change is needed. The amount needed depends on a few main things - whether the software is well written in the first place, the language in which it was written, and whether it is written in such a way as to be easily portable between platforms.

I disagree..

The cpu in a 'normal' pc has a very hard time trying to 'emulate' a PDA's ARM processor. We are talking about two different things.

yes, you can alter source codes etc, but then it's no longer software that's designed to run on a PDA. I have two versions of my Scantool software, PC and PDA versions. PDA version is very similar in function and has the same features, yet the graphics are not as good, as you would expect.. This does not mean it is possible to emulate it on a PC. Re-written, the software will work, but it no longer remains in it's original state, and becomes PC software.

This is also why we have not seen a PS2 emulator as yet. Even PS1 emulators only work with very immited programs.

PS2 games that are 'converted' to PC are sometimes not as good, but sometimes are better.. But they are PC games, not PS2 games played on a PC.

Still, the answer to the question, is no, not really.. Yes it will, but not good enough..

I assume he's found some software that will run on Windows Pocket PC 2002/2003 or Mobile and wants it to work on a normal PC as there is no PC version available... . This can't happen, very well or effectivly...

[mickq]

Maybe you need to read the first post again. It clearly asks if its possible to run a WinXP (or other i386) app on a mobile device and do so using software/code changes, not vice versa.

And the reason PDA apps dont run well on a PC is because no-one has written a decent emulator yet (well, none that have been released - I bet you anything all the phone designers have them). Not that its impossible or hard to do. Who on earth would want to make a decent emulator to run simple phone apps on a PC? Defies logic...

And when they do, a half decent PC has more than enough power to run 100x the calculations per PDA calculation and still run 10x faster than it will on a PDA. A Smartphone 2 for example runs at 206Mhz. Compare that to my PC that runs at 3600MHz and also has a dedicated graphics processor, sound processor, network processor, disk processor etc all of which free up the CPU even more.

Oh, and there are at least 3 well known PS2 emulators: PS2Emu, PCSX2 and NeutrinoSX2. They arent awesome, but the reason is just like the PSA emulator: no-one has the time or the access to the full API's in order to do a proper job. Sony guard them very closely and you have to be a sftware developer who has signed a sh*tload of contracts before you see them - and no way they would let someone get access for emulation purposes at it would kill PS2 sales.

Emulating a PS2 would be easy as the PS2's CPU is barely faster than a smartphone - 294Mhz. You can add a ton of emulation overhead and still run the game on a PC faster than a PS2. (Which by the way, like Xbox, are complete crap in terms of game graphics compared to a decent PC). Emulation isnt hard. Its a simple translation. Inefficient....but when you are emulating something that's very slow in the first place, the overhead does not become relevant.

As someone mentioned, apps like VMWare show that emulation is easy even with exceptionally complex operating systems. I have a friend whose business runs over 40 instances of WinNT and quite a few Win98's, WinXP's etc as well...each instance running production applications that keeps the business alive....and they are all running happily and reliably on one single pentium based server.

Do you seriously think emulating a phone or PS2 would be an issue??

Best you re-read the thread...I think you have gone off on a tangent....and provided the wrong answer as a result.

It seems to me that he has the opposite of what you think: he has some i386 apps that he wants ported to a phone, not the other way around.

Which is why I immediately though "this guy wants to run the edit tuning software on a PDA".

  F6 UTE said:

  mickq said:

Yes, of course it is.

Any program can be run on anything - all it depends on is how much code change is needed. The amount needed depends on a few main things - whether the software is well written in the first place, the language in which it was written, and whether it is written in such a way as to be easily portable between platforms.

I disagree..

The cpu in a 'normal' pc has a very hard time trying to 'emulate' a PDA's ARM processor. We are talking about two different things.

yes, you can alter source codes etc, but then it's no longer software that's designed to run on a PDA. I have two versions of my Scantool software, PC and PDA versions. PDA version is very similar in function and has the same features, yet the graphics are not as good, as you would expect.. This does not mean it is possible to emulate it on a PC. Re-written, the software will work, but it no longer remains in it's original state, and becomes PC software.

This is also why we have not seen a PS2 emulator as yet. Even PS1 emulators only work with very immited programs.

PS2 games that are 'converted' to PC are sometimes not as good, but sometimes are better.. But they are PC games, not PS2 games played on a PC.

Still, the answer to the question, is no, not really.. Yes it will, but not good enough..

I assume he's found some software that will run on Windows Pocket PC 2002/2003 or Mobile and wants it to work on a normal PC as there is no PC version available... . This can't happen, very well or effectivly...

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[F6 UTE]

You know, I read that damn thing 4 times.. Spose my Tangent was..... well... a Tangent..

Dagum.. I've Pulled a Jetmir.................

[Mitchy_G]

Why are you all using windows anyway!!

http://www.ubuntulinux.org/

[Guest]

Well,

Gee, just when you think you know it all!!!

Okay, I'm partly convinced that programs that run in Windows XP, can be, in some way or another, be made run as efficiently as what a Pocket PC will allow, taking into consideration its limits.

I honestly wasnt aware that anyone could purchase the edit software? But only workshops or tuners that are appointed by CAPA as agents?

Mickq, to answer your question, regarding th Edit software and being able being able to run it on a PPC.

I won't say just yet. However I will say I'm focusing elsewhere, so it's not the 'edit' but the two are not too dissimilar in fundamentals, and desired outcome.

Writing part II now, stay tuned

Darren

Edited 02/11/05 10:39 PM by DARREN