bugster70 Donating Members 1,326 Member For: 19y 11m 4d Location: Canberra Posted 23/10/05 06:50 AM Share Posted 23/10/05 06:50 AM JB said: With 240rwkw? or 300rwkw?The auto's (Most) are good for about 240rwkw then you can start by strengthing the bands and pressures etc.Once you do a full auto upgrade $1800 odd then you are good for 300rwkw+ no dramas.Auto are quicker, howevermanuals show more rwkw's.Thanks for the info JB. I guess I was thinking around the 250-260rwkw mark, as this is supposedly what is achiveable with an otherwise stock car running a Wogedit tune. I also understand that the Wogedits (and others who are asked by their customers to tune cars in this way) pump in a bunch more torque down low and I am concerned that this combination will see my stock auto giving up the ghost rather early! I'm thinking maybe a milder tune is in order as I have no plans to upgrade the box, except for firmer lines pressures as part of the edit tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gogo Member of team Kittens Member 609 Member For: 21y 1m 14d Location: Melbourne Posted 23/10/05 07:33 AM Share Posted 23/10/05 07:33 AM Just in response to the cost of going through the conversion versus upgrading - this is something you will need to make a value call on.As per the comments about getting into a second hand Mk2 - you are propably correct - will be unlikely to be more than a 7k change over.I considered this option as well but discarded it. This is a personal thing. In my case, the following factors played a part...My current T is under a novated lease arrangement - all costs that can be wirtten off as maintenance - which I will get for gearbox replacement - are excluding GST and paid before tax, so the 6.5k this will cost inlcuding clutch for me will become about 4k.I have many extras from the factory, and have looked after the car very well, if buying second hand then there is no way to have the same feeling for the history of the car even if I could get what I would like...No re-leasing costs or stamp duties to pay on transfer.No costs associated with removing exhaust, injectors, suspension, brakes, etc from current car onto new car, and associated costs with fitting valve springs etc into the new car.It is easier!!!For me - I went through the numbers in considerable detail, and the conversion is definitely the to go. I would definitely recommend anyone thinking of doing the same going through this process to make sure they make the correct decision for their own circumstances!Cheers,Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchie Member 391 Member For: 20y 11m 29d Location: Somewhere Posted 23/10/05 07:40 AM Share Posted 23/10/05 07:40 AM JB said: bugster70 said: Apologies for the slight change in topic, but would the 4 speed autos fare much better with that sort of power? <{POST_SNAPBACK}>With 240rwkw? or 300rwkw?The auto's (Most) are good for about 240rwkw then you can start by strengthing the bands and pressures etc.Once you do a full auto upgrade $1800 odd then you are good for 300rwkw+ no dramas.Auto are quicker, howevermanuals show more rwkw's.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Not far off JB..........I have been running at 255 RWKW's for the past month and started noticing the auto sliping.......fearing the worst, I took it to Preston Auto for strengthening......Sure enough for $1200 car feels much stronger......and should be good to go to about 350RWKS's.........did'nt really take too long to jump on the band wagon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetute Donating Members 4,553 Member For: 21y 2m 5d Gender: Male Location: brisbane Posted 23/10/05 07:41 AM Share Posted 23/10/05 07:41 AM bugster70 said: JB said: With 240rwkw? or 300rwkw?The auto's (Most) are good for about 240rwkw then you can start by strengthing the bands and pressures etc.Once you do a full auto upgrade $1800 odd then you are good for 300rwkw+ no dramas.Auto are quicker, howevermanuals show more rwkw's.Thanks for the info JB. I guess I was thinking around the 250-260rwkw mark, as this is supposedly what is achiveable with an otherwise stock car running a Wogedit tune. I also understand that the Wogedits (and others who are asked by their customers to tune cars in this way) pump in a bunch more torque down low and I am concerned that this combination will see my stock auto giving up the ghost rather early! I'm thinking maybe a milder tune is in order as I have no plans to upgrade the box, except for firmer lines pressures as part of the edit tune. if you have no plans of upgrading the box.... its a wise idea to ask for a mild/conservative tune... maybe leave out the mad man tunes in total so that you are not tempted to run them at any stage.most are asking for the mad man tune ... whilst they are fun (fcuking brilliant actually) it is almost certain that you will be up for dosh to get the box upgraded but like yourself everyone is aware of this and have budgeted for the extra, if they havent already upgraded.the change over deal for the upgraded box (through the wog in combination with preston autos) is actually not expensive and money well spent for an ever lasting smile on your dial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetute Donating Members 4,553 Member For: 21y 2m 5d Gender: Male Location: brisbane Posted 23/10/05 07:46 AM Share Posted 23/10/05 07:46 AM gogo said: Just in response to the cost of going through the conversion versus upgrading - this is something you will need to make a value call on.As per the comments about getting into a second hand Mk2 - you are propably correct - will be unlikely to be more than a 7k change over.I considered this option as well but discarded it. This is a personal thing. In my case, the following factors played a part...My current T is under a novated lease arrangement - all costs that can be wirtten off as maintenance - which I will get for gearbox replacement - are excluding GST and paid before tax, so the 6.5k this will cost inlcuding clutch for me will become about 4k.I have many extras from the factory, and have looked after the car very well, if buying second hand then there is no way to have the same feeling for the history of the car even if I could get what I would like...No re-leasing costs or stamp duties to pay on transfer.No costs associated with removing exhaust, injectors, suspension, brakes, etc from current car onto new car, and associated costs with fitting valve springs etc into the new car.It is easier!!!For me - I went through the numbers in considerable detail, and the conversion is definitely the to go. I would definitely recommend anyone thinking of doing the same going through this process to make sure they make the correct decision for their own circumstances!Cheers,Ben.good advise for those with with a lease and tax benefits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzza No V6 for me thanks!! Donating Members 583 Member For: 19y 8m Location: Newcastle Posted 23/10/05 09:50 AM Share Posted 23/10/05 09:50 AM (edited) My T5 lasted about 1 day after the power upgrade then 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 5th started singing....not the tunes I like either. It's been rebuilt but still at idle with the foot off the clutch it making a noise. T56 upgrade is the way to go if you want too spend 6k+Sorry for the bad news.Muzza. Edited 23/10/05 09:52 AM by Muzza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XR6_ED Member 1,517 Member For: 22y 23d Posted 24/10/05 10:10 AM Share Posted 24/10/05 10:10 AM 1st T5 broke the mainsahft due to a casting fault...2nd T5 is coping well considering the it puts up with..Have been running last 3 mth with either 325 or 345 tune... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugster70 Donating Members 1,326 Member For: 19y 11m 4d Location: Canberra Posted 26/10/05 03:43 AM Share Posted 26/10/05 03:43 AM jetute said: if you have no plans of upgrading the box.... its a wise idea to ask for a mild/conservative tune... maybe leave out the mad man tunes in total so that you are not tempted to run them at any stage.most are asking for the mad man tune ... whilst they are fun (fcuking brilliant actually) it is almost certain that you will be up for dosh to get the box upgraded but like yourself everyone is aware of this and have budgeted for the extra, if they havent already upgraded.the change over deal for the upgraded box (through the wog in combination with preston autos) is actually not expensive and money well spent for an ever lasting smile on your dial Thanks jetute, I hear what you're saying. But I ask you this - if you're getting DW to custom tune your car anyway, how the hell do you live with yourself if you don't ask for the full on madman tune?! Seriously, it's got me a bit worried and rethinking my options a bit. I'm in the ACT so if I did any gearbox mods it'd need to be done by someone here. But I'm really reluctant to go that route and and am hoping that my relatively conservative driving style will be enough to allow the stock gearbox to live with DW's tune for a good while. But I'm starting to hijack this thread too much, sorry, I might start a new one along similar lines... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrboss8 Member 156 Member For: 19y 9m 8d Gender: Male Location: Adelaide Posted 26/10/05 03:49 AM Share Posted 26/10/05 03:49 AM But I'm really reluctant to go that route and and am hoping that my relatively conservative driving style will be enough to allow the stock gearbox to live with DW's tune for a good while. If your going to be conservative then I really see no point to DW tune, sounds like you just want bragging rights. And I don't hold much hope for a T5 as mine is noisy only after a night with tune. Not to mention the car is at ford with serious engine internal problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugster70 Donating Members 1,326 Member For: 19y 11m 4d Location: Canberra Posted 26/10/05 03:55 AM Share Posted 26/10/05 03:55 AM xrboss8 said: If your going to be conservative then I really see no point to DW tune, sounds like you just want bragging rights. And I don't hold much hope for a T5 as mine is noisy only after a night with tune. Not to mention the car is at ford with serious engine internal problems.Nah, trust me, I'm seriously not into bragging rights (if I was I'd be chucking in some injectors, larger IC, etc, etc)!! I drive conservatively most of the time for a number of reasons - my wife and kids are often in the car, I drive mostly in built up urban/suburban areas where lots of unexpected things can happen, there's usually lots of other traffic around, lessening the risk of getting caught/fined, etc, etc.But it's nice to have the power to use occasionally, especially when you're out on relatively deserted, open country roads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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