No Dsc For Fpv

[240 T]

The first guy I spoke to was a Sales guy for Penrith FPV and he said they removed the DSC as they wanted to be infont of the competition

I told him it was a BIG step back for FPV to not have DSC. 

I also found that the TC button will disable the DSC on the XR range, it does not have a different button.

Another thing I found out is the XR6T's are no longer partially assembled by FPV, they used to do the turbo and intercooler, now its only the sunroof.  Apparently they only do the intercooler and 6spot brembo's at FPV on the F6.  All the rest is done on the production line at Geelong.

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I agree

Any time any manufacturer can't or won't make available features that appear on lower model cars they don?t look too clever. In this case cars within the Ford Empire are running Brembos and DSC together. What it means in the real world? Probably nothing but it doesn't look to sharp to be going through the product specification and seeing items that are available on lower cars being omitted especially in this PC world where safety is everything.

In some ways this BF FPV range is looking very thin. Do we actually know for a fact that the sound deadening improvement follow on in to the FPV range or are they continuing to use BA shells? : sarcastic:

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The cars are 98% complete from Ford so there BF Shells, that Fantasy XR8 Looks awesome in the Photo Gallery, would have looked great on the GT

[240 T]

Not hard to see the cupbard is bare.  If FPV are cutting corners like these they must not be performing that well financially. No REAL changes to the cars that did not flow down from the BF upgrade that l am aware of anyway, Brembo's aside.

Bet the driveline is the same crap ECU torque tag protected POS as the BA    l wanted to like the FPV and l do love the new look, especially the F6 with those dark grey alloys, but l am still not sure. No DSC is just poor engineering.

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Im pretty sure they have more Power and if you went A6 then it would have less torque Reduction, they should be pretty good, just have to wait and see now I guess

[eatV8]

Not hard to see the cupbard is bare.  If FPV are cutting corners like these they must not be performing that well financially. No REAL changes to the cars that did not flow down from the BF upgrade that l am aware of anyway, Brembo's aside.

Bet the driveline is the same crap ECU torque tag protected POS as the BA    l wanted to like the FPV and l do love the new look, especially the F6 with those dark grey alloys, but l am still not sure. No DSC is just poor engineering.

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Poor engineering indeed. There is so many companies who use Brembo brakes and have no problem intergrading stability control systems. Are these the same engineers who work on the handling of the FPV's (the ones being beaten by the Focus in cornering speed?) Ford/FPV really need to step up and get in touch with it all before they get left behind

[F6 UTE]

Im pretty sure they have more Power and if you went A6 then it would have less torque Reduction, they should be pretty good, just have to wait and see now I guess

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More power?? nope, everything is unchanged. The auto adds weight to both GT and F6, so any gains will be from shifting alone..

No DSC, bloody awfull.. They couldn't get it to work, or they wouldn't spend the $$ required to make it work??

I suppose it's pretty hard to introduce all these new options and keep prices only marginally higher than previous models.. Maybe next model will see DSC in FPV?

[HSE2]

I think you will find that the auto box is lighter but yes the cars have gained a little.

There is a press release around the net that states there was to be a weight reduction with new springs and shocks but that too has been pulled due to cost considerations.

The new exhaust on the GT would be accounting for some of the weight increase and supposedly the BF does have extra sound insulation.

This mob continues to consider themselves an engineering company. Their worth to the blue oval is to be inspirational. That’s a bit hard to do when not only do they not provide lead in technology but they can’t use what is afforded by Ford.

HSV are in the same boat as I am 99% sure only V6s have DCS. This was a chance to back those engineering claims up.

The other side of this is that Euro 3 has required a specialised approach to an exclusive engine. That would have been both significant in time and cost.

Edited 14/10/05 06:56 AM by HSE2

[Turbo6man]

The auto adds weight to both GT and F6, so any gains will be from shifting alone..

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The 6 speed auto is lighter than the 4 speed it replaces so there will be gains both ways for the slug drivers

It truely was a sad day when Tickford died. FPV have not, to my mind, produced a car as good as the T Series, or even the original XR6s.

The Tickford name lasted 11 years as a Ford specialist vehicle manufacturer ... I'm seriously wondering how many years FPV have got left. It seems that Ford is slowly but surely pushing them out of the scene ... more and more of the performance is now being added on the main production line ... FPV are really only needed to produce the V8 engines ... how long before Ford set up a line to do this themselves as well???

[Cro]

No DSC?

I'll be keeping my car. This was a big factor in me getting a Phoon.

Hopefully they would have worked out how to add it in by BF MKII.

Edit, 18's, Michelin PS2's, Koni Adjustables here I come

[Ford_Power]

Just got back from the motor show and had a look at the FPV stand.

I went to have a up and close look at the Typhoon with the big 6spot Brembo's....talk about AWSOME, they are also 4 spot rears.  The standard 4 spot brembos only have single spot rears, so the $4,300 seems like a good investment for 4 new huge calipers.

I was interested in why none of the FPV info mentioned the DSC (Dynamil Stability Control) in the FPV range......that's because NON of the cars have this feature

I got speaking to the FPV engineer on the stand and he said they had issues getting it working on the Brembo brakes and that it was deleted from the feature list.

I think this sucks as I was hoping to use this a selling feature for my wife so I can get the Phoon.

It is funny that FPV do not mention it anywhere that this was removed....

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Heya Zap, I dont for a second doubt what you are saying, but I think it sounds more like Ford need to keep something for BF Mk II rather than "they couldnt get it working with the Brembos"

I don't think its Ford cutting corners... I think the Ford marketing boffins are under the impression that there are enough cosmetic and mechanical changes to the car to lure some new buyers, as well as the value added stuff such as bigger new rims, brembos, etc.

If the person you were talking to was indeed an FPV engineer and not some person who has been prepped for PR, then I think he is just saying what he has been told to say, OR, he is just spouting crap that he has come up with on his own!

I am 99.9999% sure that the BF Mk II FPVs will most CERTAINLY have DSC. Saying that "they couldnt get it working with the Brembos" is just a poor reason. Any car manufacturer worth their salt could indeed get them working!

I mean at the end of the day, Ford are there to make a profit.. they cant just utilise everything they have at once! Where will that leave them for the next model?

Cheers,

Ross

[HSE2]

Not only has DSC not been mentioned but there has also been no mention of the ABS Bosch software upgrade as with BF in general.

As many will know DSC is just an extension of the ABS system. As far as I know they had ABS working with brembo brake cars prior to the upgrade to 8.0 (or similar) what version are FPV using?

[DBOSS]

It truely was a sad day when Tickford died. FPV have not, to my mind, produced a car as good as the T Series, or even the original XR6s.

You gotta be dreaming Jeff

Owned a supercharged AU XR8 all but bought a T3 and have driven 6 other T series not even in the same league,they dont handle,look and go as good as the BA FPV range and im sure the BF will be better again and the AU interior

that's your opinion which is fine and this is mine but im pretty sure anybody who has owned from an AU forte up and then had a BA XT and up would agree(maybe not)

CYA JEFF