The Drug Base

[Falchoon]

I have no concrete evidence, just circumstantial. As I mentioned he was doing everything at eleventy billion miles an hour today, the worst I've seen him. He often works fast but today was just over the top. He had calmed down a fair bit by late afternoon but still not what I call normal. None of the other workers act like that. He makes a lot of secretive phone calls, bits of which I overhear he is buying "something" and is arranging to meet with the seller. He often goes off to the toilet and takes a small bag or roll of cloth (big enough to hide a needle). He's not a bad bloke (for an alleged druggo) and I have actually lent him small amounts of money (a couple of dollars) on several occasions and he has paid it back on time and even offered to pay interest!

Over the years I have met and interacted with a number of druggos on a variety of drugs from Marijuana to Speed to Heroin and even Magic Mushies so have an idea when I meet one.

He seems like a reasonably intelligent sort of guy, reckons he was in the top 5% at high school, though I reckon he would have a better job and not be using drugs if he was as smart as he claims.

[Guest]

Maybe he's super efficient

Look all I can say is until it starts doing anything more than making suspicious, like money goes missing, his work 'SAFETY' ethic slackens, or just plane doesn't give a F#$K and does a line of the bonnet of your XR6T then it's open season!!!!!!!!!

You mentioned he often uses the mens taking a bag or piece of cloth.

It could perhaps be a syringe, but in order to 'BOOT' speed, he'd need more than a syringe as the substance has to be mixed with a small amount of water, usually in a spoon, a cotton ball placed in amongst the lot to soak up the liqiuid, like a filter, ready to be drawn up and injected into a vein.

The hit is almost instantaneous as its the quickest route to be distributed throughout the entire body. I'm guessing that it's not a syringe, because he wants the affect and can't be arsed fiddling around with the preparation.

Next time you work with him look for;

Bruises, or bandaids that could be covering bruises, discoloration surrounding (yellow-brownish) popular intravaneous sites, that shows old bruises healing.

Does he often fidget, or flinch, shaky hands, at times words come out jumbled during a conversation, sofetly spoken?

I'm very interested to know.

I'm with you when it comes to his choice of illicit substances, syringe theory maybe, but again, bepending on how long he's in their for, and not forgetting of the used needle and syringe he'd have to consider.

Here's a strange theory, you say he's intelligent, can hold up the end of a intelligent conversation, claims to of been in the top 5% in the state of HSC...and it's true

Wouldn't it be a strange twist if it's due to his substance abuse, usage of illicit narcotics that he is as intelligent as you say?

So many maybes, but all I can say, judge him on a basis that directly affects you, not because of the dirty, seedy, underworld image of drug users...if he you can lend him money, and he pays you back offering interest, you can give him benefit of the doubt...but keep at arms length.

Let me know what happens.

Darren.

p.s. What is it you acutally do for a job?

[turb06]

Surprised to see a thread such as this on the Forum, by that I mean 'fear of persecution'

Crystalline Meth Ampethamine Hydrochloride.

ICE. aka, shabu

At it's impurest, 85-88%. In past, has not been manufactured in Oz, although people are now attOkay, heres the rundown.

'Meth'ampthetamine (BASE) is what is used as the base compound to get 'Speed' usually cut with products such as; Glucodin

                                                Pseudoephidrine crushed (sudafed)

The main chemical constituant is Ephidrine, similar infact to 'Pseudo'ephidrine. The two are that alike in way of chemical make up only one element/structure seperates them (valence bond)

that's why sudafed and other generic names for pseudoephidrine, are now becomming very heavily regulated, for those that come across large quanties are able through means of a very uncontrolled and volatile process of adding heat, and with chemicals, like ETHER, in their backyards.

Their are so many variables, that 'cooks' use to create the final product, many substitute the key ingredients, with similar but lesser ingredients, hence the purity in never above 40%, and that's with base, even lesser with speed.

Base: Claggy and wet, sticky, if not kept in fridge will evaporate, strong odour of petroleum type smell (ether)

Speed: Fluffy, yellowish,brownish,off-white colour. Will seperate into fine particles unlike Base.

emtping too create local variations, unsuccessfully but are still being distributed as ICE.

Usually found in the many SE-Asia countries, Malaysia, Thailand, mainly China.

Nothing like Base and Speed, same family, but very distant cousins, by way of manufacture, appplication and effect. Usually smoked, via glass pipe (glass pipes outlawed in Victoria) as is direct route the brain.

Very Addictive, second only to Heroin (opiates), expensive also, due to 3 major busts last year (80kg found by customs hidden in candles) a gram of this will fetch average $450-500, Ounce $5500-6000, do the math.

For information regarding everything under the sun, I mean everything, stuff you never even heard of, when it comes to legal, illegal, and not quite sure yet drugs....go here:

www.erowid.org

Medically, its all based on frequency of usage, that's for both BASE, ICE...Dopamine is the chemical that is released, and to a lesser extend, Serotonin. It's the opposite when it come to ecstasy, or MDMA.

If your curious, read about it first, don't talk to your mates, all you will see is them laughing, carryingon, chewing their faces off and talking a million miles an hour...

you don't see the come downs (when levels of dopamine and serotonin are exhausted beyond bodies natural reserves, fatigue type stage settles in, can last day or 2, maybe even months depending on frequency.

This stuff will change you, you can think your completely normal, but others will pick up on it...then their is the paranoia and depression

Bottomline...all of it is ugly, and will eventually kill you, maybe not the drug itself, but the mental health effects as well as social ramifications are devastating.

Darren

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Its not a thread about me asking for myself, it is genuine that this is my mates friend that is using this sh*t, and he asked me to help research it so he knows what his friend is taking, so I figured the thousands of people on this site there would be some knowledge on the subject. But thanks for your reply, I have passed alot of your comments onto him and he has found it very useful.

Hell I cant even smell cigarettes without getting sick, imagine what this sh*t would do to me.

Dazza

[Guest]

Hey Dazza,

Hey mate, apologies if (and it does) sound like it's directed straight at you, have no doubts at all about your mate. I guess in my explanation, it was directed to anyone reading, not you specfically.

Tell your mate, to study it, and know everything it does to you...the ups and downs, has looked at every reference on the:

www.erowid.org

Wish you and your mate all the best, and I wish that he soon decides to give it away, after too long, it becomes an essential part of life...sadly

PM me if you have any other questions.

Darren

[mickq]

Base is a pure(not mixed with as much crap) form of speed much better

CYA JEFF

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sounds like "ice" ... ice is basically pure un-f*cked with speed. VERY addictive.

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Ice is actually less pure than normal speed. Its been chemically altered in a very simple process - the exact same way crack cocaine is made from cocaine.

Takes stuff all time to do it and you can do it in your kitchen with no special anything needed. A little speed makes a lot of ice, which is why ice is so cheap.

It is the only drug that is known to be instantly physically addictive. It causes an irreversable chemical change in the brain the very first time you use it.

Not a good drug at all.

[Guest]

Base is a pure(not mixed with as much crap) form of speed much better

CYA JEFF

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sounds like "ice" ... ice is basically pure un-f*cked with speed. VERY addictive.

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Ice is actually less pure than normal speed. Its been chemically altered in a very simple process - the exact same way crack cocaine is made from cocaine.

Takes stuff all time to do it and you can do it in your kitchen with no special anything needed. A little speed makes a lot of ice, which is why ice is so cheap.

It is the only drug that is known to be instantly physically addictive. It causes an irreversable chemical change in the brain the very first time you use it.

Not a good drug at all.

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Hmmm,

I think you got it the worng way around. One cannot take a quantity of every day speed, or base for that matter and turn it into ICE.

Comparing ICE and Crack Cocaine (or free based) in terms of manufacture can't be done as the two groups are totally seperate. YES they are both central nervous system stimulants, but the similarities end their.

ICE cannot be made in a kitchen, and it cannot be done in a series of simple steps...the industrial organosolvents used, MSM for example, and others would kill you if inhaled and not wearing the propper PPE.

that's why, unlike previously mentioned, ICE is very EXPENSIVE, the latest stats and figures that I see from Canberra put ICE as the most expensive illicit substance to purchase by the gram.

Street for 1gm of ICE = approx $450-500

compared to

High grade cocaine (82% and above) = approx $350-450.

The only reason ICE isn't the largest illicit problem we face is because of it's expense, however, go to NEW ZEALAND and you'll see it running rampant though all socioeconomic classes, it's a major problem over their, more commonly known as 'P'.

Instantly physically addictive?

Can be made in you kitchen?

Less pure?

So Cheap?

Please, if such comments are posted, even if you think your right, check, double check and for the hell of it, check again.

A lot of people out their go out, with the advice of their friends, wrongfully take something, thinking its something else, and end up having me standing over them with other MICA paramedics, about ready to adminster a 200kj shock of electricity into them.

A topic like this needs to be 100% accurate, otherwise wayward comments are just as dangerous as the substances themselves.

Darren

[Falchoon]

Maybe he's super efficient

Look all I can say is until it starts doing anything more than making suspicious, like money goes missing, his work 'SAFETY' ethic slackens, or just plane doesn't give a F#$K and does a line of the bonnet of your XR6T   then it's open season!!!!!!!!!

You mentioned he often uses the mens taking a bag or piece of cloth.

It could perhaps be a syringe, but in order to 'BOOT' speed, he'd need more than a syringe as the substance has to be mixed with a small amount of water, usually in a spoon, a cotton ball placed in amongst the lot to soak up the liqiuid, like a filter, ready to be drawn up and injected into a vein.

The hit is almost instantaneous as its the quickest route to be distributed throughout the entire body. I'm guessing that it's not a syringe, because he wants the affect and can't be arsed fiddling around with the preparation.

Next time you work with him look for;

Bruises, or bandaids that could be covering bruises, discoloration surrounding (yellow-brownish) popular intravaneous sites, that shows old bruises healing.

Does he often fidget, or flinch, shaky hands, at times words come out jumbled during a conversation, sofetly spoken?

I'm very interested to know.

I'm with you when it comes to his choice of illicit substances, syringe theory maybe, but again, bepending on how long he's in their for, and not forgetting of the used needle and syringe he'd have to consider.

Here's a strange theory, you say he's intelligent, can hold up the end of a intelligent conversation, claims to of been in the top 5% in the state of HSC...and it's true 

Wouldn't it be a strange twist if it's due to his substance abuse, usage of illicit narcotics that he is as intelligent as you say?

So many maybes, but all I can say, judge him on a basis that directly affects you, not because of the dirty, seedy, underworld image of drug users...if he you can lend him money, and he pays you back offering interest, you can give him benefit of the doubt...but keep at arms length.

Let me know what happens.

Darren.

p.s. What is it you acutally do for a job?

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I was speaking to another workmate about him and he agreed that it looked like he was on some recreational drugs. We didn't discuss which specific drug but I think we both silently agreed it was Speed. Speedy hangs out with another guy that recently left work (got a better job) who according to the other workmate is an ex-junkie. That bit of info surprised me as I wouldn't of picked him for that, maybe a bonghead but I guess you never know. This bloke still owes me $40 too!

Anyhow, Speedy gave me a lift home from work today and the other workmate must of told him that I thought he was using Speed as he said he is on medication for ADD. He said that his normal medication went missing yesterday and he admitted to taking Speed instead. I didn't ask and he didn't tell wether he shot or snorted.

Did a bit of research on the net about ADD and he does seem to have symptoms of it. This is an interesting link - http://addadhdadvances.com/benefits.html

Anyway, ADD or not, I doubt if this is his first or last experience with recreational drugs so I will keep him at arms length. I rarely drive the XRT to work so there is little chance of him damaging it and I keep my wallet and other personal items with me all day so again there is little chance of him getting hold of them.

[turb06]

Still doesnt excuse the fact he turned upto work under the influence of a banned substance, the boss deserves to know, but I know how delicate it would be for you to tell him/her, but then again if someone gets hurt by him because of it and you knew all along.... Well its a crappy situation to be in.

Dazza.

[tab]

I rarely drive the XRT to work so there is little chance of him damaging it and I keep my wallet and other personal items with me all day so again there is little chance of him getting hold of them.

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Are you serious? What makes you think that just because this guy has a treated medical condition that he is out to rob and steal? Attitudes such as yours make it extremely hard for unfortunate people such as your colleague to be able to live close to normal lives.

It’s the unsuspecting ones that you should be more concerned about.

[Falchoon]

Tab - did you not read my previous post and also turb06's post below it?! The guy fully admitted to being off his face on Speed at work! I only have his word saying he has ADD, could just be an excuse for using Speed.

I have Zero time for (illegal) recreational drug users. That is just my opinion, I am not trying to force it on anyone, just stating it.