The Drug Base

[turb06]

Thanks guys, and muzza420 that web site was perfect, we didnt come across it last night, I too am anti drug and thankfully this person isnt an aquaintence of mine but I gotta help out a mate.

Dazza.

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  Trough Lolly said:

  DBOSS said:

Base is a pure(not mixed with as much crap) form of speed much better

CYA JEFF

sounds like "ice" ... ice is basically pure un-f*cked with speed. VERY addictive.

Base is what Speed is before it's cut with substances such as Glucoden, Talcum Powder etc. Consequently it's much stronger than 'speed' which can be cut so much that it may actually constitute only 20% of the powder. Much cleaner and it's generally a sticky, browny substances rather than a powder.

Ice in it's purest form is also referred to as Shabu, I don't know exactly what it is (chemically) but it is the most popular, effective and expensive of the Amphetamine group. It's a very pure and intense high but the comedown is much worse. It is said you never take Ice once. Smoking "dragons" is also a reference to the way Shabu is smoked.

Such is my understanding.

Cheers,

Lumpy

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LOL!!!

Further to this today my friend arrived back from split shifts to find a 'Call Me' card left in their door by none other than the local Detective

This is after being high on gear with no sleep for 7 days...they're getting paranoid! lol.

Lumpy

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Surprised to see a thread such as this on the Forum, by that I mean 'fear of persecution'

Okay, heres the rundown.

'Meth'ampthetamine (BASE) is what is used as the base compound to get 'Speed' usually cut with products such as; Glucodin

Pseudoephidrine crushed (sudafed)

The main chemical constituant is Ephidrine, similar infact to 'Pseudo'ephidrine. The two are that alike in way of chemical make up only one element/structure seperates them (valence bond)

that's why sudafed and other generic names for pseudoephidrine, are now becomming very heavily regulated, for those that come across large quanties are able through means of a very uncontrolled and volatile process of adding heat, and with chemicals, like ETHER, in their backyards.

Their are so many variables, that 'cooks' use to create the final product, many substitute the key ingredients, with similar but lesser ingredients, hence the purity in never above 40%, and that's with base, even lesser with speed.

Base: Claggy and wet, sticky, if not kept in fridge will evaporate, strong odour of petroleum type smell (ether)

Speed: Fluffy, yellowish,brownish,off-white colour. Will seperate into fine particles unlike Base.

Crystalline Meth Ampethamine Hydrochloride.

ICE. aka, shabu

At it's impurest, 85-88%. In past, has not been manufactured in Oz, although people are now attemtping too create local variations, unsuccessfully but are still being distributed as ICE.

Usually found in the many SE-Asia countries, Malaysia, Thailand, mainly China.

Nothing like Base and Speed, same family, but very distant cousins, by way of manufacture, appplication and effect. Usually smoked, via glass pipe (glass pipes outlawed in Victoria) as is direct route the brain.

Very Addictive, second only to Heroin (opiates), expensive also, due to 3 major busts last year (80kg found by customs hidden in candles) a gram of this will fetch average $450-500, Ounce $5500-6000, do the math.

For information regarding everything under the sun, I mean everything, stuff you never even heard of, when it comes to legal, illegal, and not quite sure yet drugs....go here:

www.erowid.org

Medically, its all based on frequency of usage, that's for both BASE, ICE...Dopamine is the chemical that is released, and to a lesser extend, Serotonin. It's the opposite when it come to ecstasy, or MDMA.

If your curious, read about it first, don't talk to your mates, all you will see is them laughing, carryingon, chewing their faces off and talking a million miles an hour...

you don't see the come downs (when levels of dopamine and serotonin are exhausted beyond bodies natural reserves, fatigue type stage settles in, can last day or 2, maybe even months depending on frequency.

This stuff will change you, you can think your completely normal, but others will pick up on it...then their is the paranoia and depression

Bottomline...all of it is ugly, and will eventually kill you, maybe not the drug itself, but the mental health effects as well as social ramifications are devastating.

Darren

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  plonky said:

Most speed is mixed in home labs and has all sorts of stuff added in.....industrial cleaners and the like.

I guess if you need something so as not to cope with reality then it wouldn't matter what you shoved in your nose, shot in your veins or smoked.

I am incredibly anti-drug so I might just leave the thread at that.  People all have different views...I won't change mine and I am happy to leave everybody to their own view.....and (ultimately) bad experiences.

PS I am a very strong opponent to the methadone programme and supervised injection rooms!!  Why not give a gambler money to gamble, a street racer a drag car, a wife basher another woman to bash etc

I agree with you on this one Plonky

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  plonky said:

Most speed is mixed in home labs and has all sorts of stuff added in.....industrial cleaners and the like.

I guess if you need something so as not to cope with reality then it wouldn't matter what you shoved in your nose, shot in your veins or smoked.

I am incredibly anti-drug so I might just leave the thread at that.  People all have different views...I won't change mine and I am happy to leave everybody to their own view.....and (ultimately) bad experiences.

PS I am a very strong opponent to the methadone programme and supervised injection rooms!!  Why not give a gambler money to gamble, a street racer a drag car, a wife basher another woman to bash etc

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In a perfect world, I don't think anybody would disagree with you Plonky.

The problem however is that the drug issue has been fought for decades by chasing the dealers and users, with varying degrees of success, but the drugs just seem to keep flowing in, lining the pockets of all the drug barons and major dealers!

I don't particularly like the idea of having injection rooms, or providing drugs to addicts for free, but if this can prevent an addicit breaking and entering my house in the search for money or property to feed this habit, then I am all for it

When the traditional means of controlling drugs do not work, then there comes a time where other ideas should be tried, and then if they do not work, we can all dismiss them.

Just another point of view

[muzza420]

  turb06 said:

Thanks guys, and muzza420 that web site was perfect, we didnt come across it last night, I too am anti drug and thankfully this person isnt an aquaintence of mine but I gotta help out a mate.

Dazza.

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No probs, glad to help!

hopefully you will be able to come up with a solution for your mates problem.

good luck

muzza

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  DARREN said:

you don't see the come downs (when levels of dopamine and serotonin are exhausted beyond bodies natural reserves, fatigue type stage settles in, can last day or 2, maybe even months depending on frequency.

This stuff will change you, you can think your completely normal, but others will pick up on it...then their is the paranoia and depression

Bottomline...all of it is ugly, and will eventually kill you, maybe not the drug itself, but the mental health effects as well as social ramifications are devastating.

Darren

Very interesting Darren, quite a good read.

The most important thing is as you mentioned, research what you are interested in dont talk to you mates, this not only is a biased view but it can also pressure you mates into become quasi dealers.

Not only do few people see the come downs even fewer see the ultimate repercussion of severe drug taking, that is Drug Induced Psycosis and Paranoid Schizophrenia. I know about this because my elder brother suffers from Drug Induced Paranoid Schizophrenia.

To this day, he can't handle ANY form of drug at all, even alcohol. On the night of my 21st birthday he had an episode which lasted for 7 hours and he destroyed his previous $5000 collectors guitar. He had absolutely no recollection of it. This is 4 years after he first flipped and thought he was jesus. People think that it doesn't happen, it's only an old wives tail, but my brothers is just one example of thousands of promising youths in Australia.

This is the main reason that I don't take drugs, I'm not sanctimonious about, I just dont. However neither do I alienate my friends who do take Amphetamines. That is their choice and they take it will full knowledge of the effects and as adults. It's unfortunate however that they have a friend as manevolent as me to torment them when coming down, it really is cruel and unusual punishment.

However I am personaly proud that I have encouraged one friend off a hardcore speed addiction and dragged another mate kicking and screaming out of a 7 year bout of habitual pot use and depression...

Cheers,

Brendan

[Falchoon]

A guy at work takes some form of speed very regularly. Today he was on a mega dose or mega purity because he was just doing everything at eleventy billion miles an hour. I dunno if I should say something to the boss or just turn a blind eye. I would of thought the boss would of noticed, maybe he has and turns a blind eye because the guy is a good worker.

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  Falchoon said:

A guy at work takes some form of speed very regularly. Today he was on a mega dose or mega purity because he was just doing everything at eleventy billion miles an hour. I dunno if I should say something to the boss or just turn a blind eye. I would of thought the boss would of noticed, maybe he has and turns a blind eye because the guy is a good worker.

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Hey,

Tough situation, all I can suggest is, if it's directly bothering you or hes putting you or others in harms way, then yes.

But if not, he's own addiction is what will unravelling everything, and it won't take long.

How do you know he's uses amphetamines? seen or heard?

Regards,

Darren