5spd Man Vs 6sp Man Vs Auto

[blueboost]

taking off on reaction with that much power is like taking off in the rain,(fun but you can face the other way real quick)

it is very hard to controll that much power in a manual that's all

that is why you see some big power, but slow times in the manual's.

race from 100k's and it will be dif though.

[jetute]

  blueboost said:

race from 100k's and it will be dif though.

Your correct.

however, how many times do you actually get to park your car next to the car that wants to go you at the red lights?? I bet not often... This is why most happen on the run (at least in my experience)... I think this is why the manual would have an avantage on the street rather then a disadvantage. With the ability to downshift, the manual can gather more rpm thus providing more torque at a higher rpm allowing the vehicle to accelarate faster.

It is my personal belief only, that if the race was to happen on the roll (anything above 1st gear) the manual would do the auto (if similar power levels).

from a standstill start, the auto would smash it.

[Evotel]

Non owner question (ie and tossing up between auto and manual) - what is the launch procedure for a quick start in an auto T?

[maximum_velocity]

  Evotel said:

Non owner question (ie and tossing up between auto and manual) - what is the launch procedure for a quick start in an auto T?

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Left foot on brake, right on accelerator and stall up to about 1800-2000 rpm then when the light goes green off the brake and stomp the floor

[Buf-Phoon]

  blueboost said:

it is very hard to controll that much power in a manual that's all

that is why you see some big power, but slow times in the manual's.

race from 100k's and it will be dif though.

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"Slow" times in a straight line only from a standing start..... rolling well, it does get a lot closer doesn't it. Now lets throw some curves into the mix

[tab]

I know this has already been done to death, but have any of you manual stooges actually thrown an auto through the twisty bits? I’m not talking a dealer test drive around suburban streets but actually through mountainous twisty bits???

Don’t get me wrong I do honestly feel that the manual would be better on the track, but how much of a normal T’s life is actually spent on the track?

The SSS box in manual mode provides a lot more torque lock and engine braking than previous autos, with the added bonus of not loosing boost or power to the wheels between upshifts. Try changing gears mid way through a corner in a powerslide with a manual transmission and you’ll understand what I mean. And then do the same in an auto and try and wipe the grin off your face.

If you are in the market for a new T (or any other BA for that matter) do not be blinded by the hysteria, get your butt in an auto, get used to the manual mode, take it for a real drive and decide for yourself. If you’re willing to sacrifice minimal drivability for the miniscule amount of time you’re likely to spend on the track, then go for the auto without a doubt.

[phantomchic]

  Cro said:

In the XRT auto's; there are restrictions on when you can downshift.

The manuals are able to go in harder under brakes as you can use engine braking a lot more efficiently.

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ABSOLUTELY!!!

shazzy

[phantomchic]

  tab said:

I know this has already been done to death, but have any of you manual stooges actually thrown an auto through the twisty bits?  I’m not talking a dealer test drive around suburban streets but actually through mountainous twisty bits???

Don’t get me wrong I do honestly feel that the manual would be better on the track, but how much of a normal T’s life is actually spent on the track? 

The SSS box in manual mode provides a lot more torque lock and engine braking than previous autos, with the added bonus of not loosing boost or power to the wheels between upshifts.  Try changing gears mid way through a corner in a powerslide with a manual transmission and you’ll understand what I mean.  And then do the same in an auto and try and wipe the grin off your face.

If you are in the market for a new T (or any other BA for that matter) do not be blinded by the hysteria, get your butt in an auto, get used to the manual mode, take it for a real drive and decide for yourself.  If you’re willing to sacrifice minimal drivability for the miniscule amount of time you’re likely to spend on the track, then go for the auto without a doubt.

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OH MY GOD!!

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FINESSE OF DRIVING A MANUAL??

Now who the hell is going to drive Co-Pilot to bathurst

shazzy - manual all the way!!!

[Turbo6man]

  tab said:

I know this has already been done to death, but have any of you manual stooges actually thrown an auto through the twisty bits?

I have. But I resent being grouped (called) a stooge because I prefer manuals.

  tab said:

I’m not talking a dealer test drive around suburban streets but actually through mountainous twisty bits???

Yes again. Real nice mountain drive at my back door.

  tab said:

The SSS box in manual mode provides a lot more torque lock and engine braking than previous autos,

Not really, only marginal and still not to the same degree as a manual.

  tab said:

with the added bonus of not loosing boost or power to the wheels between upshifts.

Except that the upshifts are painfully slow - it takes the box a few days to think about what you've just asked it to do before it actually carries it out. Downshifts are even worse.

  tab said:

Try changing gears mid way through a corner in a powerslide with a manual transmission and you’ll understand what I mean.  And then do the same in an auto and try and wipe the grin off your face. 

Well I've done that in a manual plenty of times - very hard to do it in an auto and not lose the balance of the slide/drift because you never quite know when the gerashift will occur - if you don't judge the delay perfectly you'll be in the scenery while the manual drives through without a problem.

  tab said:

If you are in the market for a new T (or any other BA for that matter) do not be blinded by the hysteria, get your butt in an auto, get used to the manual mode, take it for a real drive and decide for yourself.  If you’re willing to sacrifice minimal drivability for the miniscule amount of time you’re likely to spend on the track, then go for the auto without a doubt.

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If you can drive a car and want to get 100% from it get the manual ... if you just want to drive at 90% of the car's ability you will be more than happy with the auto

[blueboost]

  Turbo6man said:

  tab said:

I know this has already been done to death, but have any of you manual stooges actually thrown an auto through the twisty bits?

I have. But I resent being grouped (called) a stooge because I prefer manuals.

  tab said:

I’m not talking a dealer test drive around suburban streets but actually through mountainous twisty bits???

Yes again. Real nice mountain drive at my back door.

  tab said:

The SSS box in manual mode provides a lot more torque lock and engine braking than previous autos,

Not really, only marginal and still not to the same degree as a manual.

  tab said:

with the added bonus of not loosing boost or power to the wheels between upshifts.

Except that the upshifts are painfully slow - it takes the box a few days to think about what you've just asked it to do before it actually carries it out. Downshifts are even worse.

  tab said:

Try changing gears mid way through a corner in a powerslide with a manual transmission and you’ll understand what I mean.  And then do the same in an auto and try and wipe the grin off your face. 

Well I've done that in a manual plenty of times - very hard to do it in an auto and not lose the balance of the slide/drift because you never quite know when the gerashift will occur - if you don't judge the delay perfectly you'll be in the scenery while the manual drives through without a problem.

  tab said:

If you are in the market for a new T (or any other BA for that matter) do not be blinded by the hysteria, get your butt in an auto, get used to the manual mode, take it for a real drive and decide for yourself.  If you’re willing to sacrifice minimal drivability for the miniscule amount of time you’re likely to spend on the track, then go for the auto without a doubt.

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If you can drive a car and want to get 100% from it get the manual ... if you just want to drive at 90% of the car's ability you will be more than happy with the auto

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90% should only need 50% to blow most manuals,

sorry I could not help myself.

I would be fighting for manuals if I had one.

I think from this thread, people will get the picture, test both, buy what you like the most then argue that it is the best