New Law's

[Guest Senator]

The laws being introduced will be similar to that of NSW and VIC, of which NSW has just recently introduced and stuffed the entire system up. The laws will not and cannot be retrospective, that is they will not apply to provisonal lincence holders that have already got there provisional licence.

[turtle33]

the best suggestion I have ever read was that of staged licencing.

eg.

level 1 everybody gets this, and car up to xxx kg/kw no extra training needed

restricted to 80kph on the highway one passenger only no night time. 0.00 bal

level 2 driver course required, restricted to say similar to corolla type cars 100kph limit on highway and able to carry passengers night time ok no trailers or 4wds bal 0.00

level 3 4wds, cars with trailers and as per level 2 no more power but more training

level 4 all above plus hipo cars 110kph limit advanced driver course.0.02bal

level 5 all above but limit of 140kph training course every year 0.02 bal

then fines for traffic offences would result in lowering of levels, the easyest way of identifing levels is thru different types of number plates, and to over come the family with only one car but 3 different drivers, use a system where you licence has to be swiped into an ignition module (or similar) to restrict or de-restrict the car. The down side would be cost, but then again how much cheaper would our health system be with lowered injuries etc. It the would put the responsibility and choice of suitable training back onto the individual.The higher the level and the cheaper the insurance. (it wont happen cause it makes too much sense)

ps sorry to be off topic.

Edited 05/09/05 04:07 PM by turtle33

[GOLDIE]

Just slightly off topic on the gold coast we have a race track called darlington park fully approved by the council to be built after it was built they allowed houses to be built around it so it has been only getting used speringly mainly for driver education track days and hot laps. Now it is being shut all together because they say even driver training is too noisy so where does this company that was helping to train drivers go now.

Goverments and councils do not want to train drivers as this cost money not raise revenue.

Ian

[harvyk]

the best suggestion I have ever read was that of staged licencing.

eg.

level 1 everybody gets this, and car up to xxx kg/kw no extra training needed

restricted to 80kph on the highway one passenger only no night time. 0.00 bal

level 2 driver course required, restricted to say similar to corolla type cars 100kph limit on highway and able to carry passengers night time ok no trailers or 4wds bal 0.00

level 3 4wds, cars with trailers and as per level 2 no more power but more training

level 4 all above plus hipo cars 110kph limit advanced driver course.0.02bal

level 5 all above but limit of 140kph training course every year 0.02 bal

then fines for traffic offences would result in lowering of levels, the easyest way of identifing levels is thru different types of number plates, and to over come the family with only one car but 3 different drivers, use a system where you licence has to be swiped into an ignition module (or similar) to restrict or de-restrict the car. The down side would be cost, but then again how much cheaper would our health system be with lowered injuries etc. It the would put the responsibility and choice of suitable training back onto the individual.The higher the level and the cheaper the insurance. (it wont happen cause it makes too much sense)

ps sorry to be off topic.

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I don't think this is a good idea at all...

1. It would be hard to police unless everyone was forced to put in the restricting system...

2. I can just see it now along the highway, the car doing 140km/h running up the back of a car that is not allowed to do more than 80km/h

3. A bal of 0.00 is a bit tight, it would stop you driving period if your on certain medications... (medications which do not normally effect your driving ability)

I think that it should be stepped (like it is with trucks and bikes already) based on what you have been taught to drive... Eg just about anyone can drive a small or medium sized car no worries, so have the base license allow ppl to drive small and medium car then as an addon to that license have say the following codes...

P - Enabled the driver to drive "preformance based cars" have this based on say acceleration times from 0 to 100km/h. It's the ability to get the car going fast that is going to kill ppl. This includes the ricer boys, even if they buy a car that is sold under a "normal license" as soon as the cars mods give it the ability to go faster than a certain acceleration time it gets dubbed a "preformance based car"

4 - Enable the driver to drive 4x4. This would mean that the 4x4 driver knows about the extra weight, stopping distance and general size of the 4x4. However I think the 4x4 condition should be based on the cars size and weight, not the fact that it drives all 4 wheels... (you subi owners can continue driving your 4x4 small - medium cars with no worrys about this 4x4 code)

S - Enables the driver to drive a car that does not have a speed limiter. Most normal cars can probably be limited to say 120Km/h as in aust the fastest you can go on normal roads (excluding NT roads ) is 110Km/h anyway so limiting all new cars to 120km/h ppl won't notice it. Remove the limiter for the faster cars requires more disipline not to use the extra speed on public roads... The S code can also be used by ppl with older cars which can not be limited...

To get one of these codes on your license is simple do a course which entitles you to get the code, if ppl then left the course with an appriciation of what cars can do to them it may also reduce the road toll...

Just my 2c on licensing conditions...

[harvyk]

Also if you want to know how to police my idea it's simple, you already have to show your license at RBT's, if you get stopped at an RBT in a car which requires one of the codes and you don't have a damn fine reason for driving it (eg I'm on my way towards the hospital) you get hit with a fine as if you where driving unlicensed...

Also if you do something stupid in a car which requires one of these codes you can lose the right to the code... (I'm thinking rice boys drag racing here...)

[YOOT]

I think the age of 25 is a good age to make some restrictions. On average a human being gets bored with their job, home and car every 6 years. What this means is if you get your license at 17 by the time you are 24 or 25 you are over the whole car thing and tend to use it for what it was intended for. Transport from A to B.

Although nearly everyone on this forum is an exception to that rule, but we don't represent the 10 million or more drivers in Australia.

[harvyk]

I think the age of 25 is a good age to make some restrictions. On average a human being gets bored with their job, home and car every 6 years. What this means is if you get your license at 17 by the time you are 24 or 25 you are over the whole car thing and tend to use it for what it was intended for. Transport from A to B.

Although nearly everyone on this forum is an exception to that rule, but we don't represent the 10 million or more drivers in Australia. 

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I don't think age should ever play a part in restricting what you can do with driving, I think it should be based on experience and experience alone...

Whilst I'm not complaining about it per-say my wife is considered less of a risk behind the wheel than me (I'm talking girly car here not T), she has had about 2 months driving experience and I have had over 6 years driving experience, and yet AAMI considers me a higher risk driver... the reason is not because she is more skilled than me it's because I'm under 25... (In this case it worked in my favor because her car had to be insured under my name and I've got max NCB)

But if I'm told I'm not allowed to do something because I'm under 25 and my experience plays no part in that decision then that's pure bull ...