Edit & Custom Tune

[dingah2]

  Dynowog said:

  SIXRT said:

  dingah2 said:

...all that on standard injectors and standard fuel pump pressure, are you serious?

Dingah

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That's not possible is it dingah?

Not SAFELY anyway, right?

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  mk11tute said:

  Especially in an auto!!!  

now dont lie you both exede that by heaps

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Apologies but do not recall the reason for these cryptic comments which are completely lost on me - what is the point that you are trying to make here....?

Dingah

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Dingah,

2 purposes really.

1 - Stimulate more discussion on the thread as the place seemed a little quiet last night.

2 - It appears that you expressed your opinion on what is safely possible with standard components, namely the injectors. Based on the results I have seen, it is possible. It just depends on the method used to increase power and the person tuning it.

I hope that clears it up.

Cheers

[dingah2]

I understand.

I guess my earlier thoughts were just that, my thoughts but they were at least based upon independant research, engineering experience and logic, as opposed to ramblings of others who follow the latest good idea rather than think things through for themselves; however, that is often the case on forums such as this. Horses for courses and subscribers must respect each other's positions on these issues

I do not subsribe to theory that Edit is better than Unichip or indeed that Unichip is better than Edit. They are merely two of a vast array of engineering elements, that when systematically combined may be capable of producing an outcome apparently greater than the sum of their parts.

However, I genuinely cannot understand how such figures can be achieved in the cases quoted and have spent considerable time undertaking research and having some lengthy discourse with the older minds and legends of the automotive industry, who, to a person, appear similarly disposed.

Delighted to learn if those who are able could explain, again based upon sound engineering logic.

Safe driving

Dingah

[mk11tute]

dingah your opinion is that your opinion and every one is intiteled to one!!

However most people would agree that based on information currently available edit is leaps and bounds ahead of piggybacks (my opinion) spend $1500 od dollars for 240-250rwkw where as how much would a piggy back cost for similar results as well as the other benefits of edit that in some cases can help fix problems that ford cant!!

[dingah2]

You really dont understand do you.

At least take the time to read my post as carefully as it was transcribed in the first place. Continuously leaping off to a defensive and potetnailly offensive posts I=s unhelpful - see macka's post - it just takes potentially useful debate down the tubes again.

For the n'th time, it is not about opinions it is about research, engineering and facts. It is not about Edit vs Unichip or MOTEC or an other 'thing' it's about how. If you know and undestand 'how' beyond just quoting the name of a box then share it with us and let's all be the beneficiary of your knowledge....

Dingah

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Dingah,

That's probably one of the great things about an open forum. Everyone can express their views and share their experiences with others. It is then up to the reader make up their own mind.

I agree that both edit and unichip are excellent methods for extracting additional performance out of XR T's. I, however, believe that one has distinct advantages over the other.

As for the achieved results. I can and will only comment on results which I have witnessed for myself. I have now seen a number of cars tuned to power levels higher than what you believe can be achieved on standard injectors (and valve springs for that matter). I've seen the results run on more than 1 dyno, neither of which is owned by the tuner, so my belief is that this takes the "happy dyno" factor out of the equasion. One of those cars is my own. It made over 260RWKW on 8PSI and more at higher boost levels. I have a new set of injectors sitting on the shelf ready to go. I've left them off as the tuner was able to safely get the power to the T5's limits without them.

How are these results possible? I don't know. I'm not a tuner. All I can comment on are the end results. Whether you choose to believe them is up to you. Based on the changes to your signature you don't, but that's OK. As long as we are both happy with the amount of money spent for the results we have achieved.

Based on your previous signature, your Phase II power output is excellent.

I remember the very first Qld XR 6T Dyno day, where the Phase 2 ute produced a little over 240RWKW. Knowledge and experience has been able to extract significant gains from the hardware since then. The world moves on.

Cheers

[1ute]

  dingah2 said:

You really dont understand do you.

At least take the time to read my post as carefully as it was transcribed in the first place.  Continuously leaping off to a defensive and potetnailly offensive posts I=s unhelpful - see macka's post - it just takes potentially useful debate down the tubes again.

For the n'th time, it is not about opinions it is about research, engineering and facts. It is not about Edit vs Unichip or MOTEC or an other 'thing' it's about how.  If you know and undestand 'how' beyond just quoting the name of a box then share it with us and let's all be the beneficiary of your knowledge....

Dingah

Don't worry about it Dingah.

I think part of selling involves tuners "promoting" their products and results to the best of their ability.

I'd consider my boost levels as safe.

Let me know if I'm wrong but judging from here 9.5 seems safe.

I'm no expert but I do have a giggle at edit customers who tell me they get 260kw running at 14 then try to poopoo piggybacks.

Isn't the real question, "what boost" ???

Can anyone tell me if running more boost is dangerous?

If not, I will get the "old piggy" pummped up a bit !

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  1ute said:

  dingah2 said:

You really dont understand do you.

At least take the time to read my post as carefully as it was transcribed in the first place.  Continuously leaping off to a defensive and potetnailly offensive posts I=s unhelpful - see macka's post - it just takes potentially useful debate down the tubes again.

For the n'th time, it is not about opinions it is about research, engineering and facts. It is not about Edit vs Unichip or MOTEC or an other 'thing' it's about how.  If you know and undestand 'how' beyond just quoting the name of a box then share it with us and let's all be the beneficiary of your knowledge....

Dingah

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Don't worry about it Dingah.

I think part of selling involves tuners "promoting" their products and results to the best of their ability.

I'd consider my boost levels as safe.

Let me know if I'm wrong but judging from here 9.5 seems safe.

I'm no expert but I do have a giggle at edit customers who tell me they get 260kw running at 14 then try to poopoo piggybacks.

Isn't the real question, "what boost" ???

Can anyone tell me if running more boost is dangerous?

If not, I will get the "old piggy" pummped up a bit !

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guy's you really want to know then start a new thread and ill answer what I can keeping my methods to myself!!!!

[macka'sxr6t]

  1ute said:

Can anyone tell me if running more boost is dangerous?

If not, I will get the "old piggy" pummped up a bit !

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In a word YES!!!

Especially if you are running stock injectors. I don't want to get into an argument about all this as it's been done to death.

Some words of advise. It is better to over engineer and have plenty of safety margin, than push the envelope just to save a few dollars.

I went down this path of trying to save a few bucks where I could and broke the car. You cannot have it both ways. It will bit you on the arse.

I'm not having a shot at anyone as it was my choice and I made the wrong one.

For the small cost of larger injectors, which I did fit, along with a bigger IC. It is cheap insurance and one that really should be done for any power level over 240 rwkw. If for nothing else but peice of mind. It has to be safer running something at 60-70% duty cycle than 90% or higher

If I only kept the same mind set about the transmittion.

macka