Edit Facts And Figures

[CountryPhoon]

I mean buying the CAPA flash box - plugging it in and downloading their 3 pre-set programs.  In the CAPA advert. they say:

"Features

No Wires.

No Cutting of Original Car Wiring Loom.

Total Flexibility in Loading Different Preset Programs.

Return Computer Back to Standard at Any Time.

One Box can be cleared and used on another car for as many as 5 cars, so a $1,297 investment over 3 different cars has to be the most inexpensive tune ever at under $450 per car.

The Ford Flash Tuner really gives you the best of both worlds.  A Great tuning product at a great price."

Sounds too easy!

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Its that easy

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Jeff , have to disagree mate, CountryPhoon obviously has a Phoon why would he want to load the std maps if he is already running~8PSI , stock

People can make there own decisions , but I would rather the peace of mind that a custom tune provides

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Aah. Are you assuming that the standard Typhoon maps are the same as standard XR6 maps??

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I know the standard F6 maps are different to XR6T - but CAPA agents tell me that there is a specific F6 version of the CAPA box. So I assume it is delivering more boost than 8PSI..... + more fuel.

[Buf-Phoon]

Jeff , have to disagree mate, CountryPhoon obviously has a Phoon why would he want to load the std maps if he is already running~8PSI , stock

People can make there own decisions , but I would rather the peace of mind that a custom tune provides

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Not sure but I would think capa would have a kit to suit da phoon but your right the best way to go is to custom tune but in the mean time whether its finacial or a time factor or waiting for a decent tuner as it was when I first got mine even to run a couple of extra psi with the 10 psi map will put I smile on the dail while waiting IMO

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Well Jeff that raises a valid question, who are the "good"edit tuners in Sydney / Canberra. I have heard varying reports on several. Look forward to forum memebers experiences and recommendations. 3500ks on the clock and edit money burning a hole in me pocket and nowhere to go

[fordedit]

Guys - Read these results with interest - and similar threads -  and talked to 2 tuners in Sydney.  I have been told by one tuner (HyTune) that for "my needs"  (rapid country travel in the main - where nms are as important as kws), all my Phoon needs is an edit and custom tune.  This suits me fine coz I want to be able to revert to 'factor' tune when I go back to the dealer.   

But then looking at the latest CAPA advert. in Motor mag. -  why shouldn't I just buy a CAPA and do the edit myself?  I have read about the advantages of cat, cai, injectors, etc - but what are the disadvantages  of self-editing -  given that I'm not chasing max. rwkw??

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buying the edit box and loading the tune youself is a great start and the cheapast way of getting an edit.

the down side is that with most turbos especially, 2 cars are never the same and the same tune can be miles apart for differant cars. what starts as the cheaper option can become more expensive in the long run in the way of fuel economy , reliability and general component longetivety.

eg. incorrect fuelling can have great adverse effects on components such as cat convertors, pistons, spark plugs etc.

incorrect boosting startegies adverse effects on just about every internal engine component

incorrect timing maps adverse effects on all of the above.

it takes a thoruogh understanding of the relationships and effects that any change made has on a vehicle and usaully is learnt over many years of proper training and just as importantly practical tuning.

as with anything a good tradesman makes it seem easy and gives great results.

buying the edit is a great start but wont give the long term result most a looking for.

allow someone with years experiance to tune your car and give you the result you are after.

regards

david roscio

kpm motorsport

[jordak]

Guys - Read these results with interest - and similar threads -  and talked to 2 tuners in Sydney.  I have been told by one tuner (HyTune) that for "my needs"  (rapid country travel in the main - where nms are as important as kws), all my Phoon needs is an edit and custom tune.   This suits me fine coz I want to be able to revert to 'factor' tune when I go back to the dealer.   

But then looking at the latest CAPA advert. in Motor mag. -  why shouldn't I just buy a CAPA and do the edit myself?   I have read about the advantages of cat, cai, injectors, etc - but what are the disadvantages  of self-editing -  given that I'm not chasing max. rwkw??

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buying the edit box and loading the tune youself is a great start and the cheapast way of getting an edit.

the down side is that with most turbos especially, 2 cars are never the same and the same tune can be miles apart for differant cars. what starts as the cheaper option can become more expensive in the long run in the way of fuel economy , reliability and general component longetivety.

eg. incorrect fuelling can have great adverse effects on components such as cat convertors, pistons, spark plugs etc.

incorrect boosting startegies adverse effects on just about every internal engine component

incorrect timing maps adverse effects on all of the above.

it takes a thoruogh understanding of the relationships and effects that any change made has on a vehicle and usaully is learnt over many years of proper training and just as importantly practical tuning.

as with anything a good tradesman makes it seem easy and gives great results.

buying the edit is a great start but wont give the long term result most a looking for.

allow someone with years experiance to tune your car and give you the result you are after.

regards

david roscio

kpm motorsport

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Would this explain why some tuners are getting up to 270rwkw with just a custom tuned edit whereas others such as yourself believe that 225 to 235rwkw is a safe and reliable tune before requiring bigger injectors?

[Slymeat]

I'm having a hell of a time just trying to buy the edit box in Sydney or Wollongong every time I ring there sold out out long trip to just go up to Sydney on spec.

[dingah2]

Guys - Read these results with interest - and similar threads -  and talked to 2 tuners in Sydney.  I have been told by one tuner (HyTune) that for "my needs"  (rapid country travel in the main - where nms are as important as kws), all my Phoon needs is an edit and custom tune.   This suits me fine coz I want to be able to revert to 'factor' tune when I go back to the dealer.   

But then looking at the latest CAPA advert. in Motor mag. -  why shouldn't I just buy a CAPA and do the edit myself?   I have read about the advantages of cat, cai, injectors, etc - but what are the disadvantages  of self-editing -  given that I'm not chasing max. rwkw??

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buying the edit box and loading the tune youself is a great start and the cheapast way of getting an edit.

the down side is that with most turbos especially, 2 cars are never the same and the same tune can be miles apart for differant cars. what starts as the cheaper option can become more expensive in the long run in the way of fuel economy , reliability and general component longetivety.

eg. incorrect fuelling can have great adverse effects on components such as cat convertors, pistons, spark plugs etc.

incorrect boosting startegies adverse effects on just about every internal engine component

incorrect timing maps adverse effects on all of the above.

it takes a thoruogh understanding of the relationships and effects that any change made has on a vehicle and usaully is learnt over many years of proper training and just as importantly practical tuning.

as with anything a good tradesman makes it seem easy and gives great results.

buying the edit is a great start but wont give the long term result most a looking for.

allow someone with years experiance to tune your car and give you the result you are after.

regards

david roscio

kpm motorsport

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Would this explain why some tuners are getting up to 270rwkw with just a custom tuned edit whereas others such as yourself believe that 225 to 235rwkw is a safe and reliable tune before requiring bigger injectors?

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Interesting question jordak - the same thing has been resident on my mind for a while, particularly since a local fellah now claims 273RWKW with Edit on standard injectors and safe AFRs....really?! How can this be, I'd welcome sensible responses to help explain this phenomenon.

Dingah

[Romulus]

What constitutes a safe AFR? Ask 5 different people and you'll get 5 different answers.

[fordedit]

Guys - Read these results with interest - and similar threads -  and talked to 2 tuners in Sydney.  I have been told by one tuner (HyTune) that for "my needs"  (rapid country travel in the main - where nms are as important as kws), all my Phoon needs is an edit and custom tune.   This suits me fine coz I want to be able to revert to 'factor' tune when I go back to the dealer.   

But then looking at the latest CAPA advert. in Motor mag. -  why shouldn't I just buy a CAPA and do the edit myself?   I have read about the advantages of cat, cai, injectors, etc - but what are the disadvantages  of self-editing -  given that I'm not chasing max. rwkw??

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buying the edit box and loading the tune youself is a great start and the cheapast way of getting an edit.

the down side is that with most turbos especially, 2 cars are never the same and the same tune can be miles apart for differant cars. what starts as the cheaper option can become more expensive in the long run in the way of fuel economy , reliability and general component longetivety.

eg. incorrect fuelling can have great adverse effects on components such as cat convertors, pistons, spark plugs etc.

incorrect boosting startegies adverse effects on just about every internal engine component

incorrect timing maps adverse effects on all of the above.

it takes a thoruogh understanding of the relationships and effects that any change made has on a vehicle and usaully is learnt over many years of proper training and just as importantly practical tuning.

as with anything a good tradesman makes it seem easy and gives great results.

buying the edit is a great start but wont give the long term result most a looking for.

allow someone with years experiance to tune your car and give you the result you are after.

regards

david roscio

kpm motorsport

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Would this explain why some tuners are getting up to 270rwkw with just a custom tuned edit whereas others such as yourself believe that 225 to 235rwkw is a safe and reliable tune before requiring bigger injectors?

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Interesting question jordak - the same thing has been resident on my mind for a while, particularly since a local fellah now claims 273RWKW with Edit on standard injectors and safe AFRs....really?! How can this be, I'd welcome sensible responses to help explain this phenomenon.

Dingah

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there is no correct afr that covers all vehicles and engines.

the only correct afr is what that particular engine being tuned demands.

our policy as a workshop is to tune to the afr that is best comprimise between

power and safe exhaust temperatures for that particular engine.also in consideration is to what application that engine is being used for eg circuit,rally

drag,street,dyno etc.

our dd dyno reads 235 rwkw on an auto xr6t when we have afrs that are starting to raise exhaust temps.this is where we also see the injector duty cycle staring to

run at maximum.(less longetivety to engine qand injectors).

again these are our own experiances and what we feel comfortable tuning to.

regards

david roscio

kpm motorsport

[Falchoon]

This member with 270+rwkw claims his 4" cat and removed centre muffler is the secret to the high reading, what's your view on this David? Not trying to disprove it or anything, just after a "professional" opinion about the matter.

[fordedit]

hi falchoon

as you probably are aware you need to have even testing to comment.

the rwkw reading on one dyno may be vastly different to another.also comes into play the strap down , set up and actual dyno running of the car from operator to operator. there is no true correct way but what is important is the opertor is consistant in his testing methods. that way you can be sure that every time you bring your car back for retesting it is done consistant to previous times.apples for apples !!

good idea to find somone/somewhre you can trust and stick with them.

david