No Turbo's For P Platers In Nsw.

[bloan]

Don't know the full story but believe the NSW govt. are going to or are planning to bring in this law. If this is the case I think this is too gereral as I hardly think a Turbo Pajero or similar constitutes a Perf. vehicle!

[xr6t ute]

I thought I heard somewhere that they were going to do something based on the power to weight ratio of the car, which would probably be a better idea

Shane

[Turbo6man]

So far no details have been released - just the general statement that P platers will be banned form high performance vehicles and the term V8 was used - that is all so far. NRMA are already opposing it.

[Lumpen]

Bit silly really. My little Nissan pussbucket can runt out to around 120 in the old money, more than fast enough to wrap it round something permanently. In fact EVERY car I've owned has been able to do 100+, even a 2.0L Pintara running on 3.5 cylinders

Then again, perhaps I should stay quiet about that, lest I be restricted to a road bike with no tyres and a $500 license per year

Lumpy

[thebrunks]

I reckon it's a great idea.

After all they're trying to save lives.

Fair enough turbo diesels should be exempt & I know some cars can do well over 100klm/hr without a blower, but as a general rule the life expectancy of a young kid with a powerful car is far less than one without! (Not to mention the other they kill in the process)

Russ

[Cro]

I don't agree with this unless there are certain exemptions....

One day when I have kids (it'll happen), I don't think I'll be rich enough to buy them a safe car on-top of mine and my wifes car of the time.

I wouldn't want them in an older crap box when they can live with all the safety features that my car has to offer. My car is going to have a bit of power, but what am I to do.

I'm sure there are many in that situation right now.

I think compulsary advanced driver training should be introduced instead.

I'd even live with having a difference license class with heaps more training and tests (prac and theory) required for performance car driving.

[Grass]

  Turbo6man said:

So far no details have been released - just the general statement that P platers will be banned form high performance vehicles and the term V8 was used - that is all so far. NRMA are already opposing it.

Yeah, there not opposed to lowering the speedlimits, but they are opposing banning P-Plates from High perfomance cars.. Go figure. Probalby up-set they won't be able to charge HUGE premiums and Excesses to Mr Joe Public if the 18yo can't drive a performance car.

The NRMA should BUTT out of anything non-insurance related. They are a bloddy joke as far as trying to represent the real Motoring public. They are only interesting in increaing their obscene profit levels.

NOVICE ROAD AND MOTORING ASSOCIATION.

[Lumpen]

  Cro said:

I think compulsary advanced driver training should be introduced instead.

I'd even live with having a difference license class with heaps more training and tests (prac and theory) required for performance car driving.

I like the idea of driver training and various licenses, Cro

Maybe also recognition for kids like me who do ~40,000km/year (40,000 in the XF, 10,000 in the R31 and 50,000 in my current car) all while on my P's, all along one of the most dangerous stretches of road in NSW.

I would love to be able to get a CAMS licence (S2?) and compete in some motorsport events but unfortunately I have to travel quite a long way for these events generally (not to mention the bloody cost )

My uncle when he went to school in the US in the 50's said that they had Driver Training courses AT school (like P.E) and if they completed this course they got a discount on their insurance, I think that is a very valid idea too.

Lumpy

[Lord Cyric]

I know I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but I'm in Beijing right now...

We already have this style of licensing system for motorbikes - restricted power to weight ratios. Even though learning to ride a bike takes more skill than learning to drive a car, IMHO the same principles should apply. Gain the experience behind the wheel first (driver training should be compulsory).

Sorry if this offends some of our younger T owners, but the accident stats are there in black and white. Plus I have some "up close & personal" experiences from when I was a young grasshopper that reinforces my point of view...

[Falchoon]

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.js...storyid=3244811

Roads Minister Michael Costa will today announce that from July 11:

P1 and P2 licence holders will be banned from driving turbo-charged, super-charged vehicles (diesel vehicles excepted), eight-cylinder vehicles and those with engine performance modifications. Exemptions will apply where powerful vehicles are required for genuine employment purposes, and where eight-cylinder 4WD vehicles are required by rural drivers;

A LIMIT of one passenger for 12 months will apply for P1 and P2 drivers who lose their licence because of a serious driving offence. The passenger restriction will apply when the licence is reissued;

NEW P-plate positioning, which also shows a driver's allowable speed limit and any restrictions, on licences;

CHANGES will not apply to current P-plate licence holders unless they are disqualified for an offence after July 11; and

A VEHICLE guide will be posted on the RTA website outlining the new rules.

The Daily Telegraph understands that other measures are expected to go before Cabinet for approval later in the year.

These will include higher standards for driver training – the third component of The Daily Telegraph campaign.

The laws would be reviewed by the Roads and Traffic Authority within 12 months.

"A 17-year-old driver with a P1 licence is about four times more likely to be involved in a fatal crash than a driver aged 26 or older," Mr Costa said.

"Each one of those fatalities represents a tragedy not only for the victims, but for their families and communities."

The new laws come from the NSW Government's Young Driver Discussion Paper, released last November, and a Road Users Summit in March.

The Daily Telegraph's delegate to that summit Rebecca Stanford – herself a P-plate accident victim – welcomed the reforms.