The Next Xr6 Turbo

[Lawsy]

In my opinion, what they need to do is change the delivery of the power, or more specifically, the consistency

At the moment, its meant to be making 450nm from 2000 - 4500rpm, right? But there are FAR too many T's going around that, if you were to slap them on an engine dyno, would fail to make 420nm.

This is evident by the times produced in auto and manual form, from forums members to the motoring press...

If they clamp down on the variances, have tighter production quality checks and aim to produce about 455nm from 1950 - 4550, then you have a slight over engineering factor which allows for production variances in the wrong direction.

And if you have the typhoon's clutch mated to the t56, or a short diff version of the 6 speed auto (yep, it makes 1st gear virtually useless, something like 50 clicks at redline apparently), they you have a fairly monster package... This would obviously jump the price though, probably around 2 grand per car.

You have to think of the cost though. Ford want to make money, and unless these changes are going to make them sell more cars, remembering that people aren't going to care that "now you are even more guaranteed to get the actual power figure claimed", then Ford wont do it... Not to mention that this sounds dodgy for one, and for two people expect the advertised figure regardless....

Meh, I'm just rambling... But I'm on a uni break, so I can!

[Grass]

If they dont at least keep up with the new LS2 engine, with the power level that will be in the SS later this year, I will be moving to the dark side.

240kw will be a bit of a joke if the SS in Sept/October this year is putting out 270kw+, has 6 litres, and goes like a rocket.

If the XR8 cant keep up with the world, I say time to get rid of it. (Better yet - make it have some decent bloody performance!). No way its lack of balls should be used as an excuse to hold back the XR6T.

In the whole history of XR's, the 6's have always been the better option. Even in the early days, the extra horsepower developed by the V8's was badly offset by the added weight on the front axle, meaning that the 6's were better balanced, quicker into and out of corners and still left the V8's for dead, even though the V8's had the Horsepower advantage.

With the XR6T, the V8's don't enen have the power advantage, so kill off the V8's (Ford have done that before) and get some REALLY horses under that XR6 Bonnet.

6Litres of engine over the front axle must be going to give the General lots of handling headaches.

[YOOT]

If they dont at least keep up with the new LS2 engine, with the power level that will be in the SS later this year, I will be moving to the dark side.

240kw will be a bit of a joke if the SS in Sept/October this year is putting out 270kw+, has 6 litres, and goes like a rocket.

If the XR8 cant keep up with the world, I say time to get rid of it. (Better yet - make it have some decent bloody performance!). No way its lack of balls should be used as an excuse to hold back the XR6T.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

In the whole history of XR's, the 6's have always been the better option. Even in the early days, the extra horsepower developed by the V8's was badly offset by the added weight on the front axle, meaning that the 6's were better balanced, quicker into and out of corners and still left the V8's for dead, even though the V8's had the Horsepower advantage.

With the XR6T, the V8's don't enen have the power advantage, so kill off the V8's (Ford have done that before) and get some REALLY horses under that XR6 Bonnet.

6Litres of engine over the front axle must be going to give the General lots of handling headaches.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Not when they are all alloy and don't have large DOHC heads. They are almost as light as the Turbo engine (with the plumbing). Holdens problem will be the heavy arse of the VE, its going to be every bit as heavy as the BA if not more.

Expensive Daewoo has had most of their funding cut because of GM's global economic downfall. They are restricted to new sedan and wagon only on release of the VE, all other variants (ute, Monaro, Crewman, AWD models and Stato) all come later on as money is freed up.

[Turbo6man]

Power figures will remain unchanged for all models for the life of the BA.

The improvements will be in engine management and transmissions.

When the new model arrives in late 2006/early 2007 we will see modest power increases of about 20kW across all models.

[fordboy1981]

well by jan 1st 2006 every new car will have to meet Euro3 emision standards. the current Falcon range only meets euro2...so when Ford release the 6-speed at the end of the year there will have to be some sort of engine upgrade also to meet the new emision standards.

Dave.

[IPhido]

I would think a modest 5 Kw boost might be on the cards (across the board), simply to emphasis the new engine modifications and management.

Modifications:

-6 Speed Auto (premium and sport models inc Territory ghia)

-Improved emissions (euro IV)

-ESP on certain models (CBC, EBA, etc etc) as seen on the territory and the Holdens.. Well you would think they will put it in eventually.

-Improvements to driveability (via VCT programming and general ECU programming)

-Small improvements in fuel consumption (via program and new gearboxes)

-Standard equipement changes

-Wheels, trim and new colours

-Some new options becomming avalible.

To be honest I would be happy with that. I would like it more if they improved NVH (other than gearbox), handling (other than ESP), braking (other than EBA/CBC), included as options some new technology (LED lighting, Xenon lighting, vented rear discs, aluminium or carbon panels, magnesium block voice control of interior, curtain airbags (front and rear), electronic differential, etc) but I think Ford is saving these for the next model and are at best unlikely.

Power figures will remain unchanged for all models for the life of the BA.

When the new model arrives in late 2006/early 2007 we will see modest power increases of about 20kW across all models.

That seems the plan.

Still I think Fairlane/LTD are really going to take a clobbering. Statesman and Caprice with 6.0L 300Kw engines, 6 speed autos, still wrapped up in the best looking LWB body, strong sales right till its end. What can a 220Kw Fairlane offer in comparison?

[YOOT]

well by jan 1st 2006 every new car will have to meet Euro3 emision standards. the current Falcon range only meets euro2...so when Ford release the 6-speed at the end of the year there will have to be some sort of engine upgrade also to meet the new emision standards.

Dave.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So if they release the new model before the end of the year then they won't have to comply with 2006 laws and therefore we won't see any upgrades!

[Venom XR6]

Every car on the market has to comply, so if it doesn't pass emissions it can't be sold.

[fordboy1981]

well by jan 1st 2006 every new car will have to meet Euro3 emision standards. the current Falcon range only meets euro2...so when Ford release the 6-speed at the end of the year there will have to be some sort of engine upgrade also to meet the new emision standards.

Dave.

So if they release the new model before the end of the year then they won't have to comply with 2006 laws and therefore we won't see any upgrades!

no, ANY new car sold from the 1st of January 2006 must comply.

Dave.

[andyturbo]

Hopfully more power