Schapelle Corby

[mickq]

the dates on the photos look a bit 'tagged on'....

just because there's weed on the table doesn't mean that she deals it or transports it!

Dave.

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True, I zoomed in on the dates. It is impossible to say for sure because different cameras do it in different ways.

Im sure there is a 3rd photo missing, which has her boogie board bag lying open near the table, with the large plastic bag being pulled out of it and laid on the table!

[Shockwave-T]

She, nor anyone, deserves 20 yrs for this either way.  1 year will do.

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I disagree with this only because although marijuana isn't seen as a hard drug here, and had she been busted in Aus, she would've got off probably with a suspended sentence at worst, but different countries have dfferent laws and different cultures and these should be respected. She knew the risk when taking the drugs into Indo.

She's damn lucky she didn't cop the firing squad.

[mickq]

GUILTY

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Hehe...have to agree its all a bit suss.

I am always amused at those people who swear black and blue she is innocent.

1) No one in Australia has heard enough evidence to say she is innocent, and they tend to be arguing on emotion and nothing more.

That's kind of ar$e about. I realise its the Indonesian legal system, but the one we exist under and should understand puts the burden of proof on the prosecution, not the other way around.

If someone is caught with a smoking gun in their hand, and 5m away is a dead person with a bullet hole in their chest, and the bullet matches the gun, the person probably did it. Its a reasonable and logical conclusion.

Schapelle was caught with 4kg in her bag. She admitted it was her bag. She does not deny that they found 4kg of dope in it. It is logical to conclude that she is likely the owner.

The Australian legal system goes by "innocent until proven guilty" but that does not mean it is reasonable nor logical to apply that rule. It is applied for one reason: it is better (in the legal systems opinion) to have 10 people get off scot free than it is to jail one innocent person. So to be safe, everyone is considered innocent until there is proof otherwise. That is a procedural issue, and nothing else.

But that doesnt mean the man with the smoking gun is innocent. It doesnt mean the most likely situation is he shot the dead guy. It doesnt mean that the man is not morally, physically and legally likely to have pulled the trigger.

The same applies to Schappelle....everything points to her having done it, and absent any reasonable explanation that outweighs the facts of the case, she should be found guilty.

Unfortunately for her, saying "it isnt mine" and nothing more does not outweigh the hard evidence that she was found with the drugs. The indonesians dont try to hide the truth and be politically correct like people do here: for example they yawned and said at the end of Schapelle's plea just before sentencing that it was a waste of time - they were looking for something decent to indicate she didnt do it, not "I just want to go home!" and lots of tears which is what they got. Harsh, but not that unreasonable. She tried using emotion on a group who is not very susceptible to it. (Poor advice by lawyers I reckon).

There is a certain logic to "guilty until found innocent". France also does it that way. It puts a bigger burden on the cops to be sure they only accuse people who are guilty but when you cut the crap, the cops are generally relying on physical evidence that often cant be disputed...and the defence is relying on story telling and crap to try to sway the jury. If the defence has hard evidence saying otherwise, the person will probably get off. But the evidence must ouotweigh the cops evidence.

There is a certain logic to "we are reasonably concluding the man with the smoking gun did the killing. Until he or someone can explain otherwise, he is guilty."

I prefer it our way, but must admit more guilty people would be behind bars if we did it the other way as well. I see no reason why a clever lawyer who can cloud the waters should get a guilty man off.

[mickq]

Why would a baggage handler take a large package of dope to work in order to find a suitcase or bag which would fit it?  Makes no sense whatsoever.

A baggage handler would put the dope in a bag to begin with!

She, nor anyone, deserves 20 yrs for this either way.  1 year will do.

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Its not always that simple. The bag must be checked in at one of the front counters, and must have tags denoting the flight, barcodes put on it etc. They cant do that from the baggage handling areas. (They would need someone to fake things from the front counter, then pass them the fake tags, then apply them to their own bags, then put them on the plane).

Without those things, the fake bag would be picked up on several different occasions: likely by the guys loading and unloading the plane and by the baggage counting system that counts bags as they go on and come off.

[mickq]

She, nor anyone, deserves 20 yrs for this either way.  1 year will do.

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I disagree with this only because although marijuana isn't seen as a hard drug here, and had she been busted in Aus, she would've got off probably with a suspended sentence at worst, but different countries have dfferent laws and different cultures and these should be respected. She knew the risk when taking the drugs into Indo.

She's damn lucky she didn't cop the firing squad.

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I completely agree. Most people unfortunately dont respect the laws of other countries, and assume only Australia is correct in its laws and penalties.

Comes from lack of a world wide perspective.

For example, there are a bunch of countries that execute drink drivers. is that wrong? I think its a bit tough, but perhaps ask the family of the latest kids to get killed by a drink driver.

Amsterdam has tolerant laws on drug use. Is that right? By our standards its terrible, but by theirs they have managed to get a better idea of the drug problem, provide some assurance of what people are injecting into themselves, provide safe areas to shoot up where doctors can check on you etc etc

Im not saying either is right or wrong....just different. Same applies to the drug laws in indonesia. There are a bunch of countries just like that, and anyone who has been through customs there would have seen the dozens of scary signs about what they do to drug importers.

[Turbo6man]

Oh poor girl! Almost everyone feels sorry for her and wants her to be innocent. Except the Indonesian gaolers who are looking forward to having her for the next 20 yeras or so ... the judge must have reckoned she was too pretty to execute and, anyway, it's a great way to lift morale amongst the gaolers eh.

[ExAreSix]

>>  Photo 1 - Keep an eye out on the coffee table for some 

>> incriminating

>> evidence (in fact I think I might submit this photo at her trial as

>> Exhibit

>> B... after the big f*ck off bag of we*d)

Yeah, those newspapers wrapped in delivery bags are a dead giveaway.

Druggo's!!

[mk11tute]

>>   Photo 1 - Keep an eye out on the coffee table for some 

>> incriminating

>> evidence (in fact I think I might submit this photo at her trial as

>> Exhibit

>> B... after the big f*ck off bag of we*d)

Yeah, those newspapers wrapped in delivery bags are a dead giveaway.

Druggo's!!

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Im wif you exarsix if theres a bag of weed on that table ill agree with everything geeseman says for the rest of eternity.

[mickq]

>>  Photo 1 - Keep an eye out on the coffee table for some 

>> incriminating

>> evidence (in fact I think I might submit this photo at her trial as

>> Exhibit

>> B... after the big f*ck off bag of we*d)

Yeah, those newspapers wrapped in delivery bags are a dead giveaway.

Druggo's!!

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Im wif you exarsix if theres a bag of weed on that table ill agree with everything geeseman says for the rest of eternity.

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Who said there is a big bag of weed on the table in the photos? I havent seen that mentioned in this thread. If you read the original post properly, you will understand the big bag of weed mentioned is the one she was caught with in her boogieboard bag.

The reason this photo is significant is that Schapelle has clearly stated she has never done drugs nor had anything to do with drugs or drug users.

And lo and behold, in the photo are some baggies, usually used to hold 1-2 grams of dope or speed (and not much else) and some papers used to roll joints.

But then again, just like being caught with 4kg of dope on you, I guess it shouldnt mean anything eh? I am not that naieve.

Derryn Hinch I think summed the whole thing up the best (albeit crudely): The only reason people give a damn about her and get all emotional is because she has big t1ts, big blue eyes, and looks like the girl next door everyone grew up with.

[ExAreSix]

Who said there is a big bag of weed on the table in the photos? I havent seen that mentioned in this thread. If you read the original post properly, you will understand the big bag of weed mentioned is the one she was caught with in her boogieboard bag.

The reason this photo is significant is that Schapelle has clearly stated she has never done drugs nor had anything to do with drugs or drug users.

And lo and behold, in the photo are some baggies, usually used to hold 1-2 grams of dope or speed (and not much else) and some papers used to roll joints.

But then again, just like being caught with 4kg of dope on you, I guess it shouldnt mean anything eh? I am not that naieve.

Derryn Hinch I think summed the whole thing up the best (albeit crudely): The only reason people give a damn about her and get all emotional is because she has big t1ts, big blue eyes, and looks like the girl next door everyone grew up with.

Oh sh*t. I better get rid of the 'baggies' I have laying around that I use to take loose change to the bank. And I'm gonna have to tell my flat mate he can't smoke rollies anymore.

Be in my best interest. Sounds like top notch evidence that I'm a dope head.

If you guys think those photos are incriminating, well, lock me up too.

You've got to be f*cking kidding me...