Venom XR6 Member 1,460 Member For: 21y 7m 29d Location: Geelong Victoria Posted 10/05/05 11:48 AM Share Posted 10/05/05 11:48 AM Theres a reason why there won't be a GTHO.. There isn't a suitable engine that Ford makes, for it. Ford could definately use a better flagship than the GT or GT-P (or typhoon).. Maybe something with two simeased I6's to make a 8.0L V12.. Yes, that would be most suitable (make the handling acceptable, people follow power)..<{POST_SNAPBACK}>There are 2 suitable engines. The supercharged 5.4 litre motors from the Ford GT and the upcoming Mustang Cobra GT500. The all alloy motor from the GT may be a bit too expensive but the engine from the Mustang is basically the same configuration as whats in the FPV GT now, an iron blocked 5.4 with alloy 4v heads, but with a supercharger and approx. 450hp, which Ford US are telling the media may be closer to 500hp once its released. This would provide more than enough torque to get the heavyweight Falcon really moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ms700 Moderating Team 10,170 Member For: 21y 10m 24d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 10/05/05 11:53 AM Share Posted 10/05/05 11:53 AM Also full credit to FPV for not going ahead with a half arsed HO. It has to be done properly and be able to destroy HSV's anytime, anyplace for it to be deserving of the HO name, just like its predecessors were capable of smashing Monaro's. If it was released and was whipped by a Clubsport or GTS it would tarnish the name.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLK6T Member 305 Member For: 20y 2m 10d Gender: Male Location: Sydney NSW Posted 11/05/05 12:02 AM Share Posted 11/05/05 12:02 AM I agree with limited numbers. If this car is coming it will be the most anticipated aussie built car with very high expectations and FPV would know this. If they advertise the release there would be all car mags talking about it for months before and after production. If it holds the Boss 5.4 if will lose cred and the another sone up GT, this baby needs something powerful and unique. I say bring it on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVLKNEVL Member 25 Member For: 21y 2m 4d Posted 11/05/05 04:26 AM Share Posted 11/05/05 04:26 AM I reckon the GT itself will need around 330kw in the mkIII to keep up. To give the HO anything less than 350kw would be suicide, as you can guarantee hsv hasn't even scratched the surface of what the ls2 is capable of. FPV will always have the weight issue, and need plenty of extra grunt to keep it on top. I think Ford would be running around madly right now looking for an engine that can solve its top-heavy handing issues and bring the weight down to achieve some decent power-to-weight ratios and 1/4 mile times. After all, why bring out a V8 car that expensive when there is a 6 cylinder turbo engine that can do everything a V8 can (except sound as good)? There's no doubt the XR6 Turbo is the best thing that's happened to Ford Australia in a long time, and it will be a cult car for a long time yet. If a fuel-guzzling, nose heavy, underpowered V8 can't create the same kind of enthusiasm for Ford, or keep up with its rivals, why build it? Remember, the GTHO was a cult car too.My suggestion to Ford:Start with a GT-P. Supercharge it (as opposed to dropping in a yank engine), give it something like 380kw and a motherload of torque. Do something trick handling-wise to stay true to the name- Adjustable airbags perhaps? Throw monster brakes under it to dispel the classic car's brakes' bad name. Leave the interior alone save trim colours/guage specs to stay true to the formula. Release it, cash in on the nostalgia factor, and use the success to build on the next incarnation- something with an alloy block and heads, designed in Oz. Maybe then the GTHO name could be something meaningful on a modern day supercarFord, don't chuck a monaro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasQLD Lifetime Members 1,197 Member For: 22y 20d Gender: Male Location: Albany Creek QLD Posted 11/05/05 09:39 AM Share Posted 11/05/05 09:39 AM At the time of the GTHO there wasnt anything around that could catch it. that's not the case now. There are a lot of cars around now that give sub 14 sec times. That wasn't the case in the 70's.The car would have to do 13 sec at least and that takes into big money territory. The GTHO may have have had its time. The Gov might just pounce on it as they did last time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPV GTHO Member 118 Member For: 20y 4m 20d Posted 11/05/05 10:01 AM Share Posted 11/05/05 10:01 AM Maybe they should try the XR6T formula on the BOSS, by that I mean give the engine lots of potention aftermarket, but make it competitive stock. Go supercharged, forged internals, bulletproof drivetrain, big brakes etc. Make people want to buy then thinking $5K on them could get heaps more power than its already got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVLKNEVL Member 25 Member For: 21y 2m 4d Posted 12/05/05 12:43 AM Share Posted 12/05/05 12:43 AM That's what made the Turbo an instant hit, but not necessarily the GTHO. These will be cars that most people would not even dream of modifying, let alone not many people will have spare change left over after spending 90-odd grand on a car. FPV needs something else, something that gives it customer appeal and street cred without copying other rivals' formulas. That said, instant tunability would definitely be advantageous for a number of reasons:People like RDP and CAPA will surely get their hands on one and show us what it's made ofFord will have some headroom when it comes to upstaging the oppositionIt gives Ford the opportunity to have a "detuned" engine giving better than expected economy, smoothness and reliability rather than a highly strung engine tuned close to its limitBut, at the end of the day, can Ford handle two cult cars in its own lineup constantly battling each other for market superiority? The XY GTHO never had a turbo 6 from its own camp knocking on its door threatening to steal its thunder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
351 Member 184 Member For: 20y 4m 20d Posted 12/05/05 07:19 AM Share Posted 12/05/05 07:19 AM why even call it a ho ,why not a different name that way it does not make some people whinge about why they didnt do this or that, and instead it stills offer the same performance as if it were called a ho . wat about a gt sprint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondie Firm Member Donating Members 2,924 Member For: 22y 1m 24d Location: Adelaide Hills Posted 12/05/05 07:32 AM Author Share Posted 12/05/05 07:32 AM It would be marketing suicide not to call it the GTHO. If Ford are going to take a big chance on a high $$ car they aren't going to take unnesecary risks. If it doesnt live up to the hype and overblown memories people have of the original HO's then too bad, Ford aren't going to not use the nameplate for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240 T Member 335 Member For: 21y 8m 20d Gender: Male Location: Mexico Posted 18/05/05 10:46 AM Share Posted 18/05/05 10:46 AM After all the talk at that other Ford forum about the GT-HO and a few members there having placed deposits on such a car, it got the better of me today. l called the salesman l have bought our last 3 Fords from at New Oak in Melbourne. Told him l wanted to place a deposit on the upcoming GT-HO. The phone went dead for a few seconds. Right he said, let me call you back.Called back 2hrs later and said that all the FPV dealer princiiples had a meeting out at FPV HQ last Thursday and the question was asked re; release of a GT-HO. David Flint said there will not be one, too expensive, too small a market etc etc. The DP at New Oak is the President of the FPV dealers association (or whatever its called) and he was adamant that there wont be one and that they wouldnt take my money................ Now l can understand why they would deny the cars existance but New Oak were adamant l was wasting my time. Could Ford really keep something that secret?<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Mate, FPV will release something very cool soon I think, but I think the HO nameplate is away foreever, no matter how good it just couldn't be as good or evan close to the oldies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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