Oils Ain't Oils

[Grass]

Any Oil that meets or exceeds the Ford specification for that vehicle is acceptable and use will not void warranty.

AS PER FORD SPEC:

Engine Oil (6cyl E-Gas and Turbo only)

Recommended use only engine oil which meets the Requirements of API Specification SJ/CF (not SJ or CF alone).

For optimum Fuel economy use SAE Viscosity grade 15W-40.

Ford specification WSE-M2C905-A.

Ford R1-340 meets these specifications.

Engine Oil FPV incl.  F6-270-Turbo, GT GT-P

Boss 290: Recommended Castrol Formula-R SAE viscosity 0W-40.

F6-270 Turbo: Recommended Mineral SEA viscosity grade 15W-40 

NOTE:

WARNING: Use of alternative oils may result in degraded performance, Fuel economy and emissions.

Do not use non-detergent or API class SC, SD, SE, SF, SG, or SH oils or oil additives.

Full synthetic is a talking point and the general consensus is even though its top shelf it should not be used until the engine components bed in, so recommended only after @ 3000 km. or excessive oil burn can/may result.

  Magnatec and GTX is fine and used by many and meets all Ford specs for the T.

Keeping in mind that Ford have no allegiance with any Oil company and as such depending on what dealer you visit you could get any brand of oil as each dealer has its own choice of oil supplier and as long as it meets Ford spec its not a problem what brand.

Yes, but Magnatec is NOT a 15W-40 Oil ....

[Hitman]

I am running MOTUL and am very happy with it, below is the speal from the site and so on,

Dave

10W-40

New 300V series is racing lubricant for racing cars.

MOTUL has developed “Double Ester Technology” for new 300V series, superior to complex ester that recognized the best base oil for engine oil up to now. Double Ester Technology, made by carefully balancing the ratio of complex ester and the newly developed macromolecular high polymer ester, enable base oil more wide-ranged, and delivers high output performance and superior reliability.

Also by carefully selecting the right polymer, “0% shear loss*” can be achieved.

*Diesel Injector method (CEC L-14-A-93), a standardized testing procedure for a lubricant’s shearing force.

Can be mixed with another viscosity of same series to achieve most suitable viscosity for the engine. (except for 5W-40)

All-round use, designed for handling stable oil pressure preservation and sharp response.

Compatible with a wide selection of engines — naturally aspirated, high torque turbo and cars that produce average to high levels of exhaust fumes.

SPECIFICATIONS

Product 300V CHRONO

Feature 100% Synthetic, Double Ester Technology, 0% Shear loss, can mix, for cars only.

SAE/DOT Standard 10W-40

Specification Exceeds all existing standards

Maker's Approval —

Compatibility For a wide selection of engines — naturally aspirated, high torque turbo and cars that produce average to high levels of exhaust fumes

[F6_Tornado]

Any Oil that meets or exceeds the Ford specification for that vehicle is acceptable and use will not void warranty.

AS PER FORD SPEC:

Engine Oil (6cyl E-Gas and Turbo only)

Recommended use only engine oil which meets the Requirements of API Specification SJ/CF (not SJ or CF alone).

For optimum Fuel economy use SAE Viscosity grade 15W-40.

Ford specification WSE-M2C905-A.

Ford R1-340 meets these specifications.

Engine Oil FPV incl.  F6-270-Turbo, GT GT-P

Boss 290: Recommended Castrol Formula-R SAE viscosity 0W-40.

F6-270 Turbo: Recommended Mineral SEA viscosity grade 15W-40 

NOTE:

WARNING: Use of alternative oils may result in degraded performance, Fuel economy and emissions.

Do not use non-detergent or API class SC, SD, SE, SF, SG, or SH oils or oil additives.

Full synthetic is a talking point and the general consensus is even though its top shelf it should not be used until the engine components bed in, so recommended only after @ 3000 km. or excessive oil burn can/may result.

  Magnatec and GTX is fine and used by many and meets all Ford specs for the T.

Keeping in mind that Ford have no allegiance with any Oil company and as such depending on what dealer you visit you could get any brand of oil as each dealer has its own choice of oil supplier and as long as it meets Ford spec its not a problem what brand.

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Yes, but Magnatec is NOT a 15W-40 Oil ....

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Grass,

Which part of the above spec did you not understand?

Recommended use only engine oil which meets the Requirements of API Specification SJ/CF (not SJ or CF alone).

This means as long as it meets the specification stated……

For optimum Fuel economy use SAE Viscosity grade 15W-40.

This means what is says ……. But does not mean that you can only use 15W-40.

Basically any oil meeting the SJ/CF Spec is fine and will cover your warranty…Remembering that Ford only cover 100,000 Km and they are not interested in your engine doing a Million km so all the oil has to do is meet the spec and get Ford out of warranty …. If you plan on keeping your vehicle for many km above that then use a oil that exceeds that spec and preferably Synthetic.

[F6_Tornado]

http://add-on.castrol.com.au/magnatecgilchrist/

API SL/CF spec so it piss's it in

Edited 19/04/05 05:28 AM by F6_Tornado

[Grass]

I think we are still missing something here...

Oils have "weights" for a reason.

If I was to use a straight 50W that aint gunna be real good for the engine no matter what the SJ/... is for the oil.

By the same token if I was to use something equally as light weight, like a Auto transmission weight oil, it would probably also pass the SJ... standard, but it ain't goining to be much good for the engine either...

There is a reason they specify "weights" for oils...

[Grass]

And depending on who you talk to and who anaylyses your oil, Synthetics aren't that great for engines either, but that is a whole debate by itself...

When did you last have your waste oil analysed to see whether your wear and engine deposits were within spec ?

Edited 19/04/05 10:09 PM by Grass

[Houndie]

Have a look at this test. Maybe we should just use Oil of Olay? Ok that's a joke just incase someone does want to try it.

http://www.ganoa.org/Motor_oil2.htm

[F6_Tornado]

I think we are still missing something here...

Oils have "weights" for a reason.

If I was to use a straight 50W that aint gunna be real good for the engine no matter what the SJ/... is for the oil.

By the same token if I was to use something equally as light weight, like a Auto transmission weight oil, it would probably also pass the SJ... standard, but it ain't goining to be much good for the engine either...

There is a reason they specify "weights" for oils...

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Missing something? I think you are doing just that Grass....

I suggest you some reading on the Viscosity (The pour ability of Oil at a Defined temperature) of the oil at hand.

Ford are saying that the recommended oil is a SJ/CF and the Oil mentioned is an SL/CF so its Exceeds the Ford spec by SJ SK and is an SL spec.

The viscosity of oils within the SJ spec can vary and as such ford recommends 15W40 for best fuel consumption.(In what climate I don’t know).. IT does not state that an SJ is 15W40 oil it merely recommends that grade to achieve best fuel consumption.

The viscosity of the oil "you" choose can depend on many factors such as the climate where you live and as such In Darwin we might consider a 20W-60 where as in Tasmania you might well choose a 5W-30 or even a 0W-20 as long as the oils is within the SJ/CF specification.

Umm… Transmission Oil does not fall into the SJ/CF specification so most people are smart enough to know the difference. In fact Transmission oils such as Dextron II and III have a Specific Viscosity and as such its Specification is not the same as engine oil.

And depending on who you talk to and who anaylyses your oil, Synthetics aren't that great for engines either, but that is a whole debate by itself...

When did you last have your waste oil analysed to see whether your wear and engine deposits were within spec ?

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I have every Vehicle in my Fleet on SOS (Scheduled Oil Sampling) at every service and as such analyse the oils sample results after each and every service. My Fleet consists of Trucks and machinery and relies heavily on SOS.

Some European Trucks I have which run Synthetic oil can run as much as 60,000 km before the oil reached a point that it must be changed compared to a mineral oil that will do at best some 25,000 km before the oil sample stipulates it must be changed.

On My heavy machinery I change the oil every 250 hours regardless of the SOS and only use the SOS for engine wear indicators, Fuel dilution, Overheating, and silicon entry.

The original question asked in this thread was:

Just wondering what type / Grade/ Brand of oils you guys are using or recommend in your XR6 Turbos?

To which I have given the Answer to with the specifications above.

Magnatec was mentioned in a post and then again raised by you regarding the Viscosity;

The viscosity of the Magnatec is 10W-40 and is a SL/CF spec and as such is well above the Ford spec and would cover warranty in any state of Australia.

It may not be the choice of many and I don’t even use it in my Ute ….In fact I use a 0W40 FormulaR Full Synthetic (SAE 0W-40 API SL/CF. ACEA A3/B3/B4) and it is the recommended oil for my T3 by Ford.

Note: All oils mentioned so far meet the SL/CF spec but vary somewhat in the Viscosity. (User choice depending on Climate and work load)

All very simple really Grass, but hey you’re quite within your rights to use Transmission oil, sewing machine oil, snake oil or any other oil you wish if it make you swell in unmentionable parts of the body! Just don’t expect to claim warranty….

[F6_Tornado]

I must apologise for a blunder in my above post:

Stated that the Magnatec was a SL/CF but in fact it’s actually higher than that:

• SAE 10W-40

• API SM/CF

• ACEA A3/B3

• Way Way Way above Ford spec……………………

[Guest Speedevil™]

Interesting reading....

Edited 20/04/05 03:22 AM by Speedevil™