Melbourne Herald Sun Typhoon Fixed Article

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  Falchoon said:

Dunno why Ford/FPV have to spend so long on "durability testing" for the clutch fix.   Just give a F6 with "fixed" clutch to Motor for a couple of days, if they don't break it then the "fix" is a success. Obviously Ford/FPV's testing process is flawed going by the number of defects such as shuddering brakes and noisey diffs that make it through to the production cars.

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I think in truth they are never going to be able to fix the twin plate properly and will end up throwing the whole idea in the bin and going for a real heavy duty single plate clutch as they should have in the first. How the hell they got the notion that potential REAL customers would think the clutch was too heavy just goes to show you how far out of touch FPV are with what the people who can afford and will actually buy these cars really want, which is.

A REALLY FAST HEAVY DUTY PERFORMANCE CAR WITH A REALLY HARD AND STRONG PERFORMANCE CLUTCH :spoton:IF IT MAKES THE LEFT LEG TOO SORE BUY A BLOODY COROLLA IMHO :lol:

[ZAP]

Very true Doc.

It is not rocket science, I bet the marketers wanted an "edge" over HSV and thought....lets do a dual plate clutch.....when in fact they should have said lets do a driveline that does not clunk and give them 300KW.

Pity bean counters and marketers are the ones who run the businesses.

If the fix is not a fix it will be bye bye Mr Flint

[TheTaipan]

I read on an internal Ford document (which I happened to find) last week (Thursday - would've posted immediately had I access to my computer, but I was away from home). There is a fix and it is in the testing stages. Teams in both the UK and Oz have been working on a new circlip and we should here more soon...

The document also discussed the Mondeo and the pro's and con's of importing it, but was mostly negative on that one...

[Venom XR6]

  TheTaipan said:

I read on an internal Ford document (which I happened to find) last week (Thursday - would've posted immediately had I access to my computer, but I was away from home).  There is a fix and it is in the testing stages.  Teams in both the UK and Oz have been working on a new circlip and we should here more soon...

The document also discussed the Mondeo and the pro's and con's of importing it, but was mostly negative on that one...

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Tom Gormans newsletter right, I read the same thing.

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  Venom XR6 said:

  TheTaipan said:

I read on an internal Ford document (which I happened to find) last week (Thursday - would've posted immediately had I access to my computer, but I was away from home).  There is a fix and it is in the testing stages.  Teams in both the UK and Oz have been working on a new circlip and we should here more soon...

The document also discussed the Mondeo and the pro's and con's of importing it, but was mostly negative on that one...

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Tom Gormans newsletter right, I read the same thing.

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My god, a 3 way discussion between the Pommies, the Yanks and FINALLY the actual designers of the car, the Aussies. I see it as the greatest joke that will ever come out of FMC and FPV. 2 months now with world wide resources and still nothing. And if the (driver undetectable) harmonic vibration from the engine is actually causing the problem as stated in the latest Aussie Muscle Car, then it also says that NO MATTER HOW STRONG THEY MAKE THE CLIPS THEY WILL KEEP BREAKING. So in reality not only have the Aussie academics at the clown factory in Melbourne f#&ked around for 2 months but so have their equally as stupid Pommie and Yank counterparts. What did Plato say? Ah yes, that was it "Put the academics in charge of any nation and watch it fall quickly to its knees" I guess the same law applies to Corporations as well. What a joke, I know of a certain Qld based clutch establishment that had it all figured out in 2 days flat. I will bet the car that we will see an entirely new clutch go into the Typhoon ONE DAY. I will also bet it ain't gonna be a twin plate. Despite how good FPV have been regarding the Typhoon clutch issue, its been quite a while now Mr Flint and still nothing but rumours. Christ no wonder every major motor vechicle manfacturer on the planet is now technically bankrupt

[TheTaipan]

Was hoping it'd be happy news for you Hypnodoc...

Never mind - I do agree with you that FPV manage to stuff up a lot of things, but their competitors don't have the best rep either... maybe you need CSV?

The problematic Typhoon clutch has found homes in the far more powerful Ferrari F50 and the new Ford GT (the GT40 remake - not Falcon GT) so clearly it doesn't need a rocket scientist to figure that we just need to use the same pieces as they did and we have a winner, but who am I to tell Flint what to do?

  hypnodoc said:

  Venom XR6 said:

  TheTaipan said:

I read on an internal Ford document (which I happened to find) last week (Thursday - would've posted immediately had I access to my computer, but I was away from home).  There is a fix and it is in the testing stages.  Teams in both the UK and Oz have been working on a new circlip and we should here more soon...

The document also discussed the Mondeo and the pro's and con's of importing it, but was mostly negative on that one...

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Tom Gormans newsletter right, I read the same thing.

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My god, a 3 way discussion between the Pommies, the Yanks and FINALLY the actual designers of the car, the Aussies. I see it as the greatest joke that will ever come out of FMC and FPV. 2 months now with world wide resources and still nothing. And if the (driver undetectable) harmonic vibration from the engine is actually causing the problem as stated in the latest Aussie Muscle Car, then it also says that NO MATTER HOW STRONG THEY MAKE THE CLIPS THEY WILL KEEP BREAKING. So in reality not only have the Aussie academics at the clown factory in Melbourne f#&ked around for 2 months but so have their equally as stupid Pommie and Yank counterparts. What did Plato say? Ah yes, that was it "Put the academics in charge of any nation and watch it fall quickly to its knees" I guess the same law applies to Corporations as well. What a joke, I know of a certain Qld based clutch establishment that had it all figured out in 2 days flat. I will bet the car that we will see an entirely new clutch go into the Typhoon ONE DAY. I will also bet it ain't gonna be a twin plate. Despite how good FPV have been regarding the Typhoon clutch issue, its been quite a while now Mr Flint and still nothing but rumours. Christ no wonder every major motor vechicle manfacturer on the planet is now technically bankrupt

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[Blonk]

  TheTaipan said:

Was hoping it'd be happy news for you Hypnodoc...

Never mind - I do agree with you that FPV manage to stuff up a lot of things, but their competitors don't have the best rep either... maybe you need CSV? 

The problematic Typhoon clutch has found homes in the far more powerful Ferrari F50 and the new Ford GT (the GT40 remake - not Falcon GT) so clearly it doesn't need a rocket scientist to figure that we just need to use the same pieces as they did and we have a winner, but who am I to tell Flint what to do? 

  hypnodoc said:

  Venom XR6 said:

  TheTaipan said:

I read on an internal Ford document (which I happened to find) last week (Thursday - would've posted immediately had I access to my computer, but I was away from home).  There is a fix and it is in the testing stages.  Teams in both the UK and Oz have been working on a new circlip and we should here more soon...

The document also discussed the Mondeo and the pro's and con's of importing it, but was mostly negative on that one...

Tom Gormans newsletter right, I read the same thing.

My god, a 3 way discussion between the Pommies, the Yanks and FINALLY the actual designers of the car, the Aussies. I see it as the greatest joke that will ever come out of FMC and FPV. 2 months now with world wide resources and still nothing. And if the (driver undetectable) harmonic vibration from the engine is actually causing the problem as stated in the latest Aussie Muscle Car, then it also says that NO MATTER HOW STRONG THEY MAKE THE CLIPS THEY WILL KEEP BREAKING. So in reality not only have the Aussie academics at the clown factory in Melbourne f#&ked around for 2 months but so have their equally as stupid Pommie and Yank counterparts. What did Plato say? Ah yes, that was it "Put the academics in charge of any nation and watch it fall quickly to its knees" I guess the same law applies to Corporations as well. What a joke, I know of a certain Qld based clutch establishment that had it all figured out in 2 days flat. I will bet the car that we will see an entirely new clutch go into the Typhoon ONE DAY. I will also bet it ain't gonna be a twin plate. Despite how good FPV have been regarding the Typhoon clutch issue, its been quite a while now Mr Flint and still nothing but rumours. Christ no wonder every major motor vechicle manfacturer on the planet is now technically bankrupt

Not technically bankrupt... Just having trouble getting insurance from the septics

[Venom XR6]

  TheTaipan said:

The problematic Typhoon clutch has found homes in the far more powerful Ferrari F50 and the new Ford GT (the GT40 remake - not Falcon GT) so clearly it doesn't need a rocket scientist to figure that we just need to use the same pieces as they did and we have a winner, but who am I to tell Flint what to do?

It already uses the same bits as the other 2, its the extra bits that FPV used that the others didn't that caused the problem. Being rear engined the other 2 didn't need the circlips to stop the clutch plate rattle as it couldn't be heard inside the cabin cause the engine is so far back. AP Racing apparently told FPV not to use them but obviously FPV knew better.

[Macktheknife]

Quick fixes for some problems will never happen.

If....and I do say If...the problem has a root cause that is to do with harmonics and resonant frequencies, actually tracking the cause down is one thing, finding a definative solution is quite another.

I once worked for a company that was brought to it's financial knees by the failure of componantry due to this problem which was only pinpointed some 18 months after production of a high cost, high tech piece of engineering equipment.

I can understand the frustrations felt by Hypnodoc and others but better to wait a little longer to (Hopefully) be a little more confident in the result.

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  Macktheknife said:

Quick fixes for some problems will never happen.

If....and I do say If...the problem has a root cause that is to do with harmonics and resonant frequencies, actually tracking the cause down is one thing, finding a definative solution is quite another.

I once worked for a company that was brought to it's financial knees by the failure of componantry due to this problem which was only pinpointed some 18 months after production of a high cost, high tech piece of engineering equipment.

I can understand the frustrations felt by Hypnodoc and others but better to wait a little longer to (Hopefully) be a little more confident in the result.

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Hi Macktheknife.

Mate I am well and truely "over it" as they say. The Grey Ghost is edited and going like a stung cat, it will hammer The Boss (GT) without having to try. I just wish they would hurry up and sort the clutch so I can put in the bigger injectors and go like a cat that's been stung twice.