Capa Edit Tech

[Street Tuner]

He would'nt go into how it works in full detail. He also said Ford are not going to allow this to keep happening and will be doing everything they can to try and stop it.

macka

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GM have been promising this for five years now, and still cant manage it, and believe me they have a very clever programming team too!

I think its all a bit of smoke & mirrors Macka

Remember, the Oak has 1.5mb program memory space. An exact image is taken from that when the Edit is first used. It is also put back in unmolested when reverted to the stock 'F' setting. Detection would more than likely involve hardware changes as well, and dont look to that happening anytime soon

[macka'sxr6t]

I certainly hope your right.

If I can pull all parties together and get this venture up and running it would be good if you could come over and met this guy. He's very approachable and he knows the PCM and software backwards.

I'm sure you would find it interesting. he might even let you play with his toys they give him for his test vehicle.

You would understand what he's talking about better than me, he certainly thinks they will beat it.

It's a bit like Microsoft though. For every 10 clever programmers they have there is one for want of a better word (Hacker) smarter.

macka

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Macka

Ask this programming guy why it took so long to overcome the surgeing problems so many have had.They still haven't got it right so if they can't even fix a minor issue how on earth will they overcome the edit.ST is right,it's smoke and mirrors.You have to crawl before you can walk.

Peter

[macka'sxr6t]

Maybe it's the engineers that are give wrong info for them to program in

I'm not sure how it works but I'd say they are like most programmers, just told to write some code and we'll get back to you if it does'nt work right. If you don't hear from us then you've done it right.

He's probably to busy fixing their F**up's,to try and stop the Edit. :lol: :lol:

macka

[Street Tuner]

They cant even fix monumental software problems such as overboost or stalling, so I dont think external programming detection would be up there on the priority list

[jordak]

Macka

Ask this programming guy why it took so long to overcome the surgeing problems so many have had.They still haven't got it right so if they can't even fix a minor issue how on earth will they overcome the edit.ST is right,it's smoke and mirrors.You have to crawl before you can walk.

Peter

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Ahh, the dreaded surging problem...........something that even the capa edit has'nt been able to fix, without compromising a meaningful gain in mid range power that is

[boomer01]

ok as we know ST give half answers

1)if you take you car to be service and you have put the F tune in and they update the software ,when you try to upload ,say 10psi there is a 50/50 chance that the factory tune will have an error on upload because of the updated software that ford done

(error code 22) which will be the code on the flashing leds

because of the difference in the to F tunes which will lead you to having to send the box back to capa for a reset

thanks ST for you help in explaining this NOT

Hi,

Just on the topic of the Ford dealerships applying a PCM update. I recently (Tuesday 15th March) had my car back with the dealer and they mentioned they had applied an updated software flash. I had the factory tune in my car when leaving it with the dealer, the tune from the 'F' position that is (because of SCT EDIT boost surging issues - with Di Filippo 3.5" turbo back exhaust).

I thought that I would have to have the SCT box 'unlocked' to allow me to re-apply the custom 10psi tune again, however I was able to upload the 10psi custom tune, without any issues (straight over the software upgrade the dealer applied).

Any idea as to whether this would be the case if you have a custom tune in place and the dealer re-flashes over this? (and you then try to re-apply the custom tune???)

Cheers!

[xrdreaming]

Quick one for you Martin, In relation to boomer01's post above.

I realise that the flash box didn't seem to care about the new version of the standard tune and allowed the 10 psi map to be loaded without a problem.

But when you go to put the stock tune back in the car next time, will it be the old version you had in your flash box before the Ford update?

Or does the box pick up the stock tune before it downloads the 10psi map back in?

If so would Ford notice that they had updated your PCM last time you were in but that it had reverted to a previous version?

[NighEve]

Maybe to help stop all the speculating about "what if" this and that when going to the dealer.

I recently went to Ford for a warranty job (replacement of a radiator - standard issue!), and the mechanic that was working on it is a friend of someone from this forum, was asked to try and scan the ECU for error codes or any unusal business.

It was hinted to him that the car may had been edited and we had concerns about errors etc (ofcourse it has been, although I had it on the factory tune before taking it there). The mechanic gave me codes that were loaded in the memory and stated there was no evidence of any other problem or edit that had caused this problem (codes were related to issues I had already known about - like the boost leak from the other week when the factory pipe/clamp decided it didn't like 10psi).

So this guy was looking for problems that could have related to an edit (as suggested to him) and there was nothing to be found to conclusively say whether or not the car had been edited. Enough proof for me (not that I care much anyhow - warranty is up in November and Ford have generally been useless at solving any problems I have had concerning the ECU)

Joel.

[xrturb]

I had my car in for warrenty work and I puet the factory tune in only 30 min before I took it to ford ,I drove around a bit and like usual the car went into limp mode(thatas why it was at ford)they done a scan and the car had three fault codes and they was all due to the throttle postion sensor which was replaced ...they had no idea that there was an edit in there before hand