SOON2BXR6T Member 78 Member For: 21y 6m 26d Location: Adelaide Posted 05/03/05 11:14 PM Author Share Posted 05/03/05 11:14 PM I have started research for my next purchase (current list: Liberty GT, Liberty 3.0RB, BA II XR6T man, Mazda 6 MPS) and wondered what people think about the BA II 6 speed after having the 5 speed.I was in the same boat as you, my 12 month lease on my 2004 T was about to end and 'cause I like variety, I was also considering the GT or 3.0RB. The build quality, smoothness and safety features of the Subaru's really impressed me although the power is far short of the T. I choose another T in the end as the massive fleet discount on the Ford (vs the stuff all discount on the Subaru's) meant it would of cost me $5000 gross extra per year to get into the Subies.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yeah , the Subaru will definately cost a bit more, but the resale will probably more than compensate for that in the end. I've tested an RB which was pretty nice - smooth free revving linear power delivery after driving the T, but certainly lacked the whoosh. I owned a 00 Liberty RX2.5 before which was a good car but I missed power and felt happier/more comfortable once I got back into a bigger car. A few guys on the MRT/suby forum are having a few issues with their cars too. I rate the quality of my T pretty highly. No rattles, fit and finish was pretty good and I got almost twice as many kms out of the (much cheaper) OEM tyres, and amazingly got 28K before my first rotor machine (22 out the Liberty). The drivetrain is a bit clunky but you learn to drive around that. Will I be as lucky second time around???Liberty GT manual wagon is leading at this stage. (havent driven one yet though!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markxr6t Member 476 Member For: 20y 2m 4d Location: Perth WA Posted 06/03/05 01:22 AM Share Posted 06/03/05 01:22 AM Go the 6 speed T, I got it and I love the box, it drives fantastic and the new gearing and diff ratios I believe make it a couple of tenths quicker than the previous manual, can't speak from experience though as I didn't own a Mk1 T.Join me and the other 6 speed happy customers :grininvasion:<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi BrettNot sure about your "couple of tenths quicker" theory. Motor got a 0-100 in 5.9 seconds and even conservative Wheels got a 6.0sec 0-100 for the t5 manual (2 up - full tank). The T56 is definitely stronger, but I think the net result of the ratios would be the same as far as performance is concerned.As you said last week we're yet to see a published 0-100 time but I know that 14.6 quarter for the Typhoon was slower than the original T tests.On the other hand, I'm probably just bitter and twisted that I've got the old clunker T5 running at its limit.Back to topic, the XR6T manual is a hoot to drive, and when I was doing my test driving, Subarus were mighty impressive in build quality and handling but just didn't have the same smile factor. And that was my no 1 criteria.Go the manual T!Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRHappy Member 47 Member For: 20y 1m 17d Gender: Male Location: Perth, WA Posted 06/03/05 03:58 AM Share Posted 06/03/05 03:58 AM HI Manual BrothersNo disrespect to T5 intended, just promoting the XRT with the 6 speed compared with the other Non Falcon vehicle options SOON2BXR6T is comparing (I hope you live up to nick SOON hehe)With regards the couple of tenths, I got that from a couple of guys working for Ford, I think its because its got better low down acceleration due to the change in final drive ratio from 3.46:1 (T5) to 3.73:1 (T56).Like you said Mark, we won't know for sure until theres an independent media test. It's a shame the MkII XR6T has been completely overlooked in the motoring media, with the introduction of th FPV Typhoon and its subsequent failings noone has even bothered to reevaluate the new version of the T.Motors recent PCOTY tested two Holdens (CV8 & SS) and two HSVs, but only bothered to test the FPVs, even though the MkII XR6T qualified as a new to market entrant. This is despite the fact that in 2003 (first PCOTY after the T was launched) the XR6T came third place, only beaten by the Boxster S and the Merc SL55 AMG, and beating lower placed more expensive rivals such as Merc E55 AMG, WRX STI and Audi S3. When is the T going to get the recognition it still deserves, jeez even a silly Mini was tested this year!Sorry for my rant, I got carried away, SOON go buy the T, its still PCOTY (for the money) in my book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOON2BXR6T Member 78 Member For: 21y 6m 26d Location: Adelaide Posted 06/03/05 09:21 AM Author Share Posted 06/03/05 09:21 AM XRHappy, there was an test of the BA II T in Nov 04 Wheels, in which it was rated highly. No 0-100 or 400m times, but for 80 -120 kmh:3.8/4.9/7.2/10.4 (3rd/4th/5th/6th) BA II XR6T (Nov 04 wheels)4.5/6.4/9.1/13.1 BA II XR8 (same mag)3.8/5.0/8.1/16.4 VZSS 250kw (same mag)4.1/4.9/7.9 BA I XR6T (Nov 02 wheels)4.6/5.9/9.7/17.0 VYSS 235kw (Nov 02 wheels)We all know such figures are highly dependant on conditions etc etc, but pretty impressive all the same. (NB all were done by same driver, 13 deg in 04 and 14-15 deg in 02).other stats Km/h per 1000 rpm:BA 11.4/17.4/25.2/33.8/46.3BAII 11.7/17.5/24.0/31.2/39.0/49.6Maybe I'll become SOON2BXR6T-2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo6man Lifetime Members 4,084 Member For: 22y 2m 23d Gender: Male Location: South Coast NSW Posted 06/03/05 10:27 AM Share Posted 06/03/05 10:27 AM HI Manual BrothersNo disrespect to T5 intended, just promoting the XRT with the 6 speed compared with the other Non Falcon vehicle options SOON2BXR6T is comparing (I hope you live up to nick SOON hehe)With regards the couple of tenths, I got that from a couple of guys working for Ford, I think its because its got better low down acceleration due to the change in final drive ratio from 3.46:1 (T5) to 3.73:1 (T56).<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yes, the diff ratio was shortened but the overall gearing has bugggerall difference. First is taller, second is virtually identical, third is a little shorter. So down the quarter you'll see a slower jump in first but a little bit extra in third to compensate.Check out this graph which I posted quite some time ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickq Member 740 Member For: 21y 8m 12d Posted 06/03/05 11:55 AM Share Posted 06/03/05 11:55 AM Sorry Senator but I like to drive my car. I did buy an auto once - bit like catching the bus really! <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I agree. Even with SSS, nothing beats the engagement you get from a manual.You simply can not do as much (driving wise) with your car in an auto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickq Member 740 Member For: 21y 8m 12d Posted 06/03/05 11:58 AM Share Posted 06/03/05 11:58 AM 70% of XR6Ts are autos <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Which says nothing about manuals - it simply shows 70% of drivers are lazy...The same 70% applies to HSV cars. It isnt anything to be proud of. If you like to not be involved with your driving, and if you like maximum laziness in terms of required driver input, go an auto for sure.If you drive hard, then you NEED a manual. If you dont drive hard, then an auto is an option.I dont care how much power a person's car has - the choice of box says it all about their driving. (Top level drag cars with thousands of horsepower excluded). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawsy Wanabe mechanical engineer Donating Members 960 Member For: 20y 3m 17d Gender: Male Location: At the computer, obviously..... Posted 07/03/05 02:07 AM Share Posted 07/03/05 02:07 AM 70% of XR6Ts are autos Which says nothing about manuals - it simply shows 70% of drivers are lazy...The same 70% applies to HSV cars. It isnt anything to be proud of. If you like to not be involved with your driving, and if you like maximum laziness in terms of required driver input, go an auto for sure.If you drive hard, then you NEED a manual. If you dont drive hard, then an auto is an option.I dont care how much power a person's car has - the choice of box says it all about their driving. (Top level drag cars with thousands of horsepower excluded).Agreed.Oh, and Top Fuelers run a fully computer controlled multi stage clutch, which isn't really a gearbox in the first place...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo77 Member 12 Member For: 20y 11m 26d Posted 07/03/05 03:06 AM Share Posted 07/03/05 03:06 AM HRHappy,If my memory serves me correct, they also mentioned that the outcome may have been different, If the XR6T had a better gear box at the time...... That being said, the BA II could have taken the title! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macktheknife Xtreme Xalted Member Donating Members 3,112 Member For: 21y 7m 28d Gender: Male Location: BrisVegas Posted 07/03/05 04:33 AM Share Posted 07/03/05 04:33 AM 70% of XR6Ts are autos Which says nothing about manuals - it simply shows 70% of drivers are lazy...The same 70% applies to HSV cars. It isnt anything to be proud of. If you like to not be involved with your driving, and if you like maximum laziness in terms of required driver input, go an auto for sure.If you drive hard, then you NEED a manual. If you dont drive hard, then an auto is an option.I dont care how much power a person's car has - the choice of box says it all about their driving. (Top level drag cars with thousands of horsepower excluded).Agree with you there.My last few cars have all been auto. Current T as well.However, no matter how good the auto, (and the current one is very good for my money) you cannot do as fine a throttle balancing job in corners as you can with a direct mechanical link.Just that little bit makes the difference in the grin factor..... But, because the Lady Macktheknife needs to drive it from time to time, I'm afraid I'm stuck with the SSS....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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