Fordedit Or No Edit

[Lawsy]

as far as I know speaking to my service guys ..they can tell if the tune is in the car ..but if the factory tune is put back in they cant

peter scare tactics taking peoples mind of aps edit release today

Couldn't agree more, its just pathetic sometimes, isn't it.....

On a side note, I've been led to believe that the tune itself fills up near 100% of the memory on the ECU and only leaves enough room for the fault codes....

[macka'sxr6t]

Tuner how long before C.A.P.A are site sponsors as promised a while back.macka

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CAPA are waiting for the paperwork from Forum Director

Maybe another "2 weeks"

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:lol: that makes it 4 weeks now.

Good to here it is still in progress It will keep a lot of natives happy when it happens. :lol:

macka

[JB]

Dave,

Now I am aware who you are etc, It is obvious you have achieved some great results with the edit.

It seems however that we have found our first major problem with it, in relation to 'boost spike' derrived from having the standard Axuator combined with an aftermarket Exhaust and standard intercooler.

This is where the Piggyback unit outshines the EDIT as it is able to control this, where the edit does not.

Thanks to Bruce's input from his car we have been able to work through the problem, however even with a bigger Axuator it is still apparent.

We are awating on the known solution being a duty cycle table from the US, but in the interim, I am interested to know how you have got around this problem with the cars you have tuned? I know that from speaking to others it is a common problem, nomatter what capa have said.

Would appreciate your thoughts and input

Cheers

JB

[badxr6]

Dave,

Now I am aware who you are etc,  It is obvious you have achieved some great results with the edit.

It seems however that we have found our first major problem with it, in relation to 'boost spike' derrived from having the standard Axuator combined with an aftermarket Exhaust and standard intercooler.

This is where the Piggyback unit outshines the EDIT as it is able to control this, where the edit does not.

Thanks to Bruce's input from his car we have been able to work through the problem, however even with a bigger Axuator it is still apparent.

We are awating on the known solution being a duty cycle table from the US, but in the interim, I am interested to know how you have got around this problem with the cars you have tuned? I know that from speaking to others it is a common problem, nomatter what capa have said.

Would appreciate your thoughts and input

Cheers

JB

could you send me a copy of your dyno graph jb

[JB]

Dave,

Now I am aware who you are etc,  It is obvious you have achieved some great results with the edit.

It seems however that we have found our first major problem with it, in relation to 'boost spike' derrived from having the standard Axuator combined with an aftermarket Exhaust and standard intercooler.

This is where the Piggyback unit outshines the EDIT as it is able to control this, where the edit does not.

Thanks to Bruce's input from his car we have been able to work through the problem, however even with a bigger Axuator it is still apparent.

We are awating on the known solution being a duty cycle table from the US, but in the interim, I am interested to know how you have got around this problem with the cars you have tuned? I know that from speaking to others it is a common problem, nomatter what capa have said.

Would appreciate your thoughts and input

Cheers

JB

could you send me a copy of your dyno graph jb

Hey Bruce,

I do not have a copy as the ones we have run are still at HPF.

Just imagine a smooth curve all the way along and as it gets to the top end it spikes up and down like a rollercoaster.

We have been achieving roughly 306rwkw at 12psi but when it spikes it hits 18psi.

After our discussion last night it's also related to the sensors on the intercooler.

I know it's at it's limit, howver the point is that the piggyback was able to control this issue where as the edit cannot.

The solution is a duty cycle table which the US are hopefully working on.

Capa just tell us to replace the intercooler and Axuator, but we should not have to change parts to achieve something we have with the piggybacks when the edit is meant to be superior.

We put on a bigger Axuator which helped, however it did not totally solve the problem.

Speaking to other tuners in Aus today, all are experiencing the same problem.

[macka'sxr6t]

It seems however that we have found our first major problem with it, in relation to 'boost spike' derrived from having the standard Axuator combined with an aftermarket Exhaust and standard intercooler.

JB

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JB,

At what boost does this problem start?

You may need to fit a stronger actuator spring, It would mean that you will not be able to run standard boost but it should resolve the issue until a fix comes along. I would also run a manual boost contoller to help clamp the boost.

macka

[JB]

It seems however that we have found our first major problem with it, in relation to 'boost spike' derrived from having the standard Axuator combined with an aftermarket Exhaust and standard intercooler.

JB

JB,

At what boost does this problem start?

You may need to fit a stronger actuator spring, It would mean that you will not be able to run standard boost but it should resolve the issue until a fix comes along. I would also run a manual boost contoller to help clamp the boost.

macka

Not sure exactly at what point, but the problem is the Axuator cannot keep up due to the free flowing exhaust, it normally works on backpressure.(Others more in the know can hopefully explain).

We have tried a bigger Axuator which did improve the problem but still did not resolve it.

I do not want to have to run a boost controller, or add anything. My belief is that this product was sold as a superior product to the piggybacks, however the piggyback can control this issue via it's duy cycle table where as the edit cannot.

The edit is a great product which takes us further into the technology stakes however, there are bugs/issues such as this that must be ironed out, otherwise if I am boost spiking and this is holding me back, I then need to start changing components to get around the issues, I am no further ahead than I was with the piggyback.

[macka'sxr6t]

Not sure exactly at what point, but the problem is the Axuator cannot keep up due to the free flowing exhaust, it normally works on backpressure.(Others more in the know can hopefully explain).

We have tried a bigger Axuator which did improve the problem but still did not resolve it.

I do not want to have to run a boost controller, or add anything. My belief is that this product was sold as a superior product to the piggybacks, however the piggyback can control this issue via it's duy cycle table where as the edit cannot.

The edit is a great product which takes us further into the technology stakes however, there are bugs/issues such as this that must be ironed out, otherwise if I am boost spiking and this is holding me back, I then need to start changing components to get around the issues, I am no further ahead than I was with the piggyback.

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JB,

You must know what boost your trying to run. It sounds more like a hardware issue, caused from the APS exhaust. Don't see how software can fix this. From my experience piggybacks suffer from the same boost spikes until turbo mods are done.

Have you checked the wategate soleniod?

macka

[JB]

Not sure exactly at what point, but the problem is the Axuator cannot keep up due to the free flowing exhaust, it normally works on backpressure.(Others more in the know can hopefully explain).

We have tried a bigger Axuator which did improve the problem but still did not resolve it.

I do not want to have to run a boost controller, or add anything. My belief is that this product was sold as a superior product to the piggybacks, however the piggyback can control this issue via it's duy cycle table where as the edit cannot.

The edit is a great product which takes us further into the technology stakes however, there are bugs/issues such as this that must be ironed out, otherwise if I am boost spiking and this is holding me back, I then need to start changing components to get around the issues, I am no further ahead than I was with the piggyback.

JB,

You must know what boost your trying to run. It sounds more like a hardware issue, caused from the APS exhaust. Don't see how software can fix this. From my experience piggybacks suffer from the same boost spikes until turbo mods are done.

Have you checked the wategate soleniod?

macka

Yeah it's running 12psi but spikes out to 18psi.

It's definately not a hardware issue, as they have run the live dyagnostic equipment that they ordered in to see what the car is doing live while its running.

I did not have this problem when running the piggyback even at larger psi. This problem has existed since the piggyback came out and the edit went in.

HPF/capa are well aware of what the issue is, and what will fix it, from speaking to bruce (badxr6) I understand how he has got around it, but I am also trying to find out how Dave has got around this with the tunes he has been doing.

[fordedit]

Dave,

Now I am aware who you are etc,  It is obvious you have achieved some great results with the edit.

It seems however that we have found our first major problem with it, in relation to 'boost spike' derrived from having the standard Axuator combined with an aftermarket Exhaust and standard intercooler.

This is where the Piggyback unit outshines the EDIT as it is able to control this, where the edit does not.

Thanks to Bruce's input from his car we have been able to work through the problem, however even with a bigger Axuator it is still apparent.

We are awating on the known solution being a duty cycle table from the US, but in the interim, I am interested to know how you have got around this problem with the cars you have tuned? I know that from speaking to others it is a common problem, nomatter what capa have said.

Would appreciate your thoughts and input

Cheers

JB

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hi jb

just be patient with your tune/tuner because he will work it out.

what we have experianced on the turbos coming in is so many combinations and it takes a bit of thought process to work out what works best for each individaul tune. ultimately , yes we have found that the various duty cycle settings on the FordEdit are the answer to smoothing out boostspikes. ther are also various other maps to be taken into consideration when doing this also.

possibly the reason why it was easier on the piggy backs is because there wasnt much to work out and you could keep the boost readings under control although

reapatability was bad and varied when felt like it.( in short crude but effective)

the FordEdit is pretty sophisticted compared and harder to set up but when you get it right reapeatability is spot on every time.( worth the effort)

please consider though and not take forgranted all your hardware is properly matched.

have faith in your tuner and give him time to work with it.hopefully its also for his benifit and wont charge you much or at all for extra time.

hope this can help you

david