2 Dead In Car Chase.

[Phucknuckle]

I lost a cousin about 10 years ago in Melbourne...........due to a Stolen Car Chase.

He was travelling as a passenger in a car when a stolen car being chased by Police T-Boned them in an intersection............the Stolen car ran the red light and didnt even bother slowing.......

Should Police stop chasing stolen cars.............NO.

These people should all be charged with Theft, as well as ATTEMPTED MURDER for the way they try and outrun the Police.

They are breaking the law and should be punished to the full extent.....and if a couple of them happen to cark it along the way..........no great loss..........Im not losing sleep!

em all!

[Macktheknife]

Charles Darwin's theory is so correct....

These retards have been swimming around the bottom of the gene pool bumping into rocks whilst being fed fish food by the taxpayer so they can produce their spawn.

So when a couple of them venture out from one pond into a bigger pond, they get their ambitions confused with their abilities and are returned back to their pond as fish food.

It's just natural selection....I can't see the problem with them wrapping themselves around a tree........

now if they only did it in their mothers car...............

Succinct and oh so subtle.....

We luvs the way you view it Plonky.....

[ZAP]

This one is for Plonky:

Why is it that our useless politicians have not changed the persuit laws ?

I bet many people on this forum do not know that a cop cannot run you off the road, they are not even able to get in front of you and box you in to slow you down, even if you have just killed 100 kids and are shooting at the cops in a stolen car.

Our moronic politicians think that police should just chace a car until they either crash, run out of fuel or pull over.

This is why we see so many deaths due to persuits.

I watch COPS and they will just give a nice little panel tap on the 1/4 panel when the car is turning a corner and spin them then block them in.

I think if our poor under resourced police force could ram/block/spike or shoot at persued cars, we would see a lot less 3rd party deaths on our roads due to persuits. We also need more choppers to track these scum from a distance.

If you die running the cops, you get what you deserve, but if they kill an innocent 3rd party or police doing so, it should be our pathetic ploiticians that are to blame by restricting our police from preventing it in the first place.

I feel sorry for our Police, they are dammed if the do and even more dammed if they do not. I blame the STUPID LEFT WING MINORITY

[Mitchy_G]

I just saw the news report this arvo, all I saw was some little F*CKEAD throw a rock, the let the police dog onto him. The dog tripped him over at full speed onto the road, haha!

These people know that the police wont retailate with exceptional force, that is why they do it. Its ridiculous the police should be able to beat all these losers to a pulp. Who cares they are a liability to us, because they are living the world is worse off

[stardust]

The problem is that even when the police catch these germs of society, then the judge gives them a slap on the wrist and next day most are out there doing it again.

Should be a mandartory 5 year jail sentence for car theft,I bet that would stem the flow of stolen cars.

Ken

[Lawsy]

Natural selection, darwanism, its all crap.

There are lots of rich idiots as well, and they just keep making more money. It wasn't the kids fault they were braught up in poverty, always being told how they "deserved more" or "worth nothing" or continually shown on TV how all the rich prats live; they think this is reality for everyone else but themselves, when really this is only 5%. It isn't there fault how they were braught up, they didn't choose to be born, but it is still there choice whether to do the right thing or not.

Herein lies the problem, by the time they are old enough to make this choice, they have been brainwashed by poverty and oppression, to the point where they can't see a choice, and react instead of act. Another problem is, it gets worse as time goes on. The next generation from these families will have yet another story to tell about how they were treated. Always focussing on the negative, instead of focussing on a solution.

Its a shame 2 people have died, and I feel for their families. NEVER is death an answer, never. Even with the death penalty in the US, I don't agree we should have the power to say who lives and who dies. Leave playing God to himself, who hear thinks they could judge every case? Who here thinks they could possibly choose who lives or dies? No one. So even the driver of this chase doesn't deserve to die. Be put in a dark whole and the key thrown away, yes, but not death.

That said, shotguns with bean bag rounds are still the go. Getting hit by something that feels like being punched by MT will do the trick 9 times out of 10. Like I said earlier, the 1/10 that it doesn't work, aim higher, shoot again. But don't try and play god.

[plonky]

This one is for Plonky:

Why is it that our useless politicians have not changed the persuit laws ?

I bet many people on this forum cannot believe that a cop cannot run you off the road, they are not even able to get in front of you and box you in to slow you down. Our moronic politicians think that police should just chace a car until they either crash, run out of fuel or pull over. This is why we see so many deaths due to persuits. I watch COPS and they will just give a nice little panel tap on the 1/4 panel when the car is turning a corner and spin them then block them in.

I think if our poor under resourced police force could ram/block/spike or shoot at persued cars, we would see a lot less 3rd party deaths on our roads due to persuits.

If you die running the cops, you get what you deserve, but if they kill an innocent 3rd party or police doing so, it should be our pathetic ploiticians that are to blame by restricting our police from preventing it in the first place

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

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The problem we have is that even thought we are exempt from the Road Rules under Rule 305 of the ARR's, we have to abide by the Safe Driver Policy issued by the Commissioner.

We are NOT allowed to parallel, get in front or completely block a road during a pursuit.

We must maintain a 2 second gap from the car being pursued and we are only allowed to have a primary and secondary car engaged in the pursuit.

A lot of this crap has come about my pressure from the media onto the relevamt Minister whenever a person dies or is seriously injured as a result of a pursuit, death in custody or Police operation. The Coroner also make a number of recommendations as well.

A pursuit (as per the SDP) is where a person using a vehicle fails to yield under direction from a Police vehicle. Even if the person is on a pushbike and the Police are in a vehicle following them at 10kmh, it is determined a pursuit.

The State Govt. is very concerned about civil litigation. About 15 years ago, I pursued a hoodlum on a motorbike in the Mt Druitt area. The hoodlum broke every road rule you could think of, the pursuit was done normally, the hoolum crossed to the wrong side of the road straight into the path of a Police F150.

He was charged, pleaded guilty at Court blah blah blah, however he successfully sued the NSW Police for a Brach of Duty of Care because he shattered his leg in the crash.

The Dept settled out of Court for $65K

We have been trained HOW to pursue cars, but not how to STOP them.

We have been asking for years to be able to ram the rear as they do in America, but it is denied due to the fear of civil litigation.

The argument always come back as "It's only a stolen car, it's not worth someone losing a life over"

So a car, the second largest purchase a householder makes, is not valuable according to the Govt.

This is the same Govt that trivialises Break Enter and Steal offences so that people can now just ring up and report them over the phone.

Because of the volume of the offences, the law that is in place and the refusal to incarcerate thieves, it is thrown into the too hard basket.

[Lawsy]

I feel for you plonky. Appart from the general whinge we have about what the highway patrol do when we are breaking the law, I feel that the coppers are the ones getting the rought end of the stick. You guys have no power to actually put an end to a chase before it gets out of hand.

I mean, heres an example.

You engage in a high speed chase in an area that you know well. You know that there is a right hander coming up with a paddock on the outside. There are no trees or anything substantial that can be hit or driven into. Around this bend, say about 100m off, there happens to be a child care center where the playground is in the front of the building and not the back. Yes, its fenced off to humans, but not to a 1.8 tonne lump travelling at 150 clicks.

Do you see where this could have been stopped? The right hander.

In this example the officer could have spun the car out into the paddock and cornered him in.

So I guess my point is this; it shouldn't be totaly out of the question to sue the cops if they genuinly do something wrong, but the courts must have some form of legislation where, if you are clearly the instigator of a chase which leads to your own harm then you are the moron who put youself in a place to get hurt. You are responsible....

Its the same with the break & enter law. Obviously if you were to shoot someone with a 12 guage as they broke into your house then you took it a bit over the top. But say someone illegaly enters your house weilding a knife and seem capable of using it, soon after resulting in you taking there knee's out with a baseball bat, then they should be held responsible. If they didn't enter, they wouldn't have been slammed. Simple.

Meh, yeah this particular topic gets me a little fired up...

[Falchoon]

It wasn't the kids fault they were braught up in poverty, always being told how they "deserved more" or "worth nothing" or continually shown on TV how all the rich prats live; they think this is reality for everyone else but themselves, when really this is only 5%. It isn't there fault how they were braught up, they didn't choose to be born, but it is still there choice whether to do the right thing or not.

Herein lies the problem, by the time they are old enough to make this choice, they have been brainwashed by poverty and oppression, to the point where they can't see a choice, and react instead of act. Another problem is, it gets worse as time goes on. The next generation from these families will have yet another story to tell about how they were treated. Always focussing on the negative, instead of focussing on a solution.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Agree with everyrthing said on this thread. Not sure what being poor has to do with anything though. If you want something most normal people get jobs and earn money. People have to be content with what they have and not just help themselves to someone elses property. They could try something novel like getting a job to pay for their own posessions. Problem is these peeple probably wouldn't stick at a job for too long. First time the boss asked them to do something they would probably tell him to get f**ked and threaten to sue him for discrimination or some such similar rubbish. That's if they were lucky enough to get a job in the first place, many of these people probably didn't finish school (told the teachers to f... off when asked to do schoolwork).

[Dagabond]

Taken from another forum on a completely unrelated topic but just as relevant to this situation:

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Mr. Common Sense. Mr. Sense had been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He will be remembered as having cultivated such value lessons as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm and that life isn't always fair.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not kids, are in charge). His health began to rapidly deteriorate when well intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.

Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Mr. Sense declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student; but, could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Finally, Common Sense lost the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband; churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense finally gave up the ghost after a woman failed to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, she spilled a drop in her lap, and was awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust, his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by two stepbrothers; My Rights and Ima Whiner.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realised he was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do nothing.