Std Injectors Over 240 Rwkw

[ktford]

213 in October '03

Scotty

[ktford]

I believe that this thread is somewhat useless unless all of the cars are tested on one type/brand of dyno, same day/environmental conditions, and with the same fuel octane, there are huge variations in power measured across the different brands of dynos.

Peter

I believe that dyno numbers should only be used as a tuning tool to assist in a cars development. The dyno numbers combined with 1/4mile MPH will give a much more accurate indication of a cars true power.

What Peter says about different conditions is very true too. I remember one of the first dyno days at Dynomotive in Bayswater. There were a dozen or so auto T's 10 of them ran 1855-190rwkw's and mine and one other ran 201rwkw's. The only difference between the cars was that the 2 that ran 201rwkw's both used 98ron fuel whilst the rest used standard unleaded.

With my next comment I'm not trying to upset anyone. I find the 260rwkw's a bit hard to believe for edit only. An auto T with 260rwkw's should be able to run 12.8/12.9 @112mph. I hope they do and it would be great if a few of the edited cars got some times so we could get a better indication of the true value of the generic maps.

I know that a GT with the edit had a dyno sheet with 279ishRWKW's. This car managed a best of 13.8 on the night. It had all the protections removed and 500rpm extra. It ran quicker before it had the edit.

I'm not having a go at anyone or thing. I'm just making facts that I know available for everyone to have a look at and make their own judgements. HPF have the edit and at somestage will more than likely use my car to see what it can do. I'll make sure to keep everyone informed of my progress.

Geea.

I am trying to understand how auto T's with the edit can run 260rwkw without destroying the auto box. From numerous ones we have seen before the edit, the limitations of the auto box are approx 240-250rwkw then they either go bang or their life span is dramatically reduced to a matter of weeks/months.

My Auto is under renovations at the moment, will be ready in the morning, its life span shorterned by my useage, failure to change the oil (ford don't change it until 60,000k's) & fit a trans oil cooler to it. I don't believe the power was the drama, I feel as though my activities with 240fwkw would of killed it just as quick. Will be fitting cooler Friday morning

Scotty aka nowchangingautofluidevery10,000k's

[JB]

I believe that this thread is somewhat useless unless all of the cars are tested on one type/brand of dyno, same day/environmental conditions, and with the same fuel octane, there are huge variations in power measured across the different brands of dynos.

Peter

I believe that dyno numbers should only be used as a tuning tool to assist in a cars development. The dyno numbers combined with 1/4mile MPH will give a much more accurate indication of a cars true power.

What Peter says about different conditions is very true too. I remember one of the first dyno days at Dynomotive in Bayswater. There were a dozen or so auto T's 10 of them ran 1855-190rwkw's and mine and one other ran 201rwkw's. The only difference between the cars was that the 2 that ran 201rwkw's both used 98ron fuel whilst the rest used standard unleaded.

With my next comment I'm not trying to upset anyone. I find the 260rwkw's a bit hard to believe for edit only. An auto T with 260rwkw's should be able to run 12.8/12.9 @112mph. I hope they do and it would be great if a few of the edited cars got some times so we could get a better indication of the true value of the generic maps.

I know that a GT with the edit had a dyno sheet with 279ishRWKW's. This car managed a best of 13.8 on the night. It had all the protections removed and 500rpm extra. It ran quicker before it had the edit.

I'm not having a go at anyone or thing. I'm just making facts that I know available for everyone to have a look at and make their own judgements. HPF have the edit and at somestage will more than likely use my car to see what it can do. I'll make sure to keep everyone informed of my progress.

Geea.

I am trying to understand how auto T's with the edit can run 260rwkw without destroying the auto box. From numerous ones we have seen before the edit, the limitations of the auto box are approx 240-250rwkw then they either go bang or their life span is dramatically reduced to a matter of weeks/months.

My Auto is under renovations at the moment, will be ready in the morning, its life span shorterned by my useage, failure to change the oil (ford don't change it until 60,000k's) & fit a trans oil cooler to it. I don't believe the power was the drama, I feel as though my activities with 240fwkw would of killed it just as quick. Will be fitting cooler Friday morning

Scotty aka nowchangingautofluidevery10,000k's

There's probably my point there big fella. I am reffering to 240rwkw not flywheel, so you have had problems with less than that. When Geea was running BOOF he had 233rwkw I think he went up some more power and the auto went bang.

So what I am trying to understand is if those running 260rwkw have no auto problems, then it can be only two things. The edit dramatically changes the auto settings (which I do not understand how you can strengthen you auto this way) or the dyno readings are way out.

JB

aka

scottyshouldhaveknownbetterthantonottakecareofhisauto

[Guest]

I believe that this thread is somewhat useless unless all of the cars are tested on one type/brand of dyno, same day/environmental conditions, and with the same fuel octane, there are huge variations in power measured across the different brands of dynos.

Peter

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I believe that dyno numbers should only be used as a tuning tool to assist in a cars development. The dyno numbers combined with 1/4mile MPH will give a much more accurate indication of a cars true power.

What Peter says about different conditions is very true too. I remember one of the first dyno days at Dynomotive in Bayswater. There were a dozen or so auto T's 10 of them ran 1855-190rwkw's and mine and one other ran 201rwkw's. The only difference between the cars was that the 2 that ran 201rwkw's both used 98ron fuel whilst the rest used standard unleaded.

With my next comment I'm not trying to upset anyone. I find the 260rwkw's a bit hard to believe for edit only. An auto T with 260rwkw's should be able to run 12.8/12.9 @112mph. I hope they do and it would be great if a few of the edited cars got some times so we could get a better indication of the true value of the generic maps.

I know that a GT with the edit had a dyno sheet with 279ishRWKW's. This car managed a best of 13.8 on the night. It had all the protections removed and 500rpm extra. It ran quicker before it had the edit.

I'm not having a go at anyone or thing. I'm just making facts that I know available for everyone to have a look at and make their own judgements. HPF have the edit and at somestage will more than likely use my car to see what it can do. I'll make sure to keep everyone informed of my progress.

Geea.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

All valid and factual points Geea.

My other question is from experience and knowledge, I am trying to understand how auto T's with the edit can run 260rwkw without destroying the auto box. From numerous ones we have seen before the edit, the limitations of the auto box are approx 240-250rwkw then they either go bang or their life span is dramatically reduced to a matter of weeks/months.

These edit cars that are running 260rwkw, where are your autos currently at?

Then there are injectors at around 260rwkw plus, how are these guys running 260rwkw on standard systems, but that's a topic that is currently in the boxing ring for EMS, but where does the edit stand on it?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Then there are injectors at around 260rwkw plus, how are these guys running 260rwkw on standard systems, but that's a topic that is currently in the boxing ring for EMS, but where does the edit stand on it?

pls explain this clearer?

as I see it the edit cars are a threat to aps but they are not acheiving the same out put so not as much chance of peter looking like a total ####!

that's his concern as I see it!

[ktford]

I believe that this thread is somewhat useless unless all of the cars are tested on one type/brand of dyno, same day/environmental conditions, and with the same fuel octane, there are huge variations in power measured across the different brands of dynos.

Peter

I believe that dyno numbers should only be used as a tuning tool to assist in a cars development. The dyno numbers combined with 1/4mile MPH will give a much more accurate indication of a cars true power.

What Peter says about different conditions is very true too. I remember one of the first dyno days at Dynomotive in Bayswater. There were a dozen or so auto T's 10 of them ran 1855-190rwkw's and mine and one other ran 201rwkw's. The only difference between the cars was that the 2 that ran 201rwkw's both used 98ron fuel whilst the rest used standard unleaded.

With my next comment I'm not trying to upset anyone. I find the 260rwkw's a bit hard to believe for edit only. An auto T with 260rwkw's should be able to run 12.8/12.9 @112mph. I hope they do and it would be great if a few of the edited cars got some times so we could get a better indication of the true value of the generic maps.

I know that a GT with the edit had a dyno sheet with 279ishRWKW's. This car managed a best of 13.8 on the night. It had all the protections removed and 500rpm extra. It ran quicker before it had the edit.

I'm not having a go at anyone or thing. I'm just making facts that I know available for everyone to have a look at and make their own judgements. HPF have the edit and at somestage will more than likely use my car to see what it can do. I'll make sure to keep everyone informed of my progress.

Geea.

I am trying to understand how auto T's with the edit can run 260rwkw without destroying the auto box. From numerous ones we have seen before the edit, the limitations of the auto box are approx 240-250rwkw then they either go bang or their life span is dramatically reduced to a matter of weeks/months.

My Auto is under renovations at the moment, will be ready in the morning, its life span shorterned by my useage, failure to change the oil (ford don't change it until 60,000k's) & fit a trans oil cooler to it. I don't believe the power was the drama, I feel as though my activities with 240fwkw would of killed it just as quick. Will be fitting cooler Friday morning

Scotty aka nowchangingautofluidevery10,000k's

There's probably my point there big fella. I am reffering to 240rwkw not flywheel, so you have had problems with less than that. When Geea was running BOOF he had 233rwkw I think he went up some more power and the auto went bang.

So what I am trying to understand is if those running 260rwkw have no auto problems, then it can be only two things. The edit dramatically changes the auto settings (which I do not understand how you can strengthen you auto this way) or the dyno readings are way out.

JB

aka

scottyshouldhaveknownbetterthantonottakecareofhisauto

True JB,

but for little cost I think you'll find the auto's very tough & mine broke with between 255 - 279, the 240 was merely my scenario of what would of happened

Scotty

Scotty

[JB]

I believe that this thread is somewhat useless unless all of the cars are tested on one type/brand of dyno, same day/environmental conditions, and with the same fuel octane, there are huge variations in power measured across the different brands of dynos.

Peter

I believe that dyno numbers should only be used as a tuning tool to assist in a cars development. The dyno numbers combined with 1/4mile MPH will give a much more accurate indication of a cars true power.

What Peter says about different conditions is very true too. I remember one of the first dyno days at Dynomotive in Bayswater. There were a dozen or so auto T's 10 of them ran 1855-190rwkw's and mine and one other ran 201rwkw's. The only difference between the cars was that the 2 that ran 201rwkw's both used 98ron fuel whilst the rest used standard unleaded.

With my next comment I'm not trying to upset anyone. I find the 260rwkw's a bit hard to believe for edit only. An auto T with 260rwkw's should be able to run 12.8/12.9 @112mph. I hope they do and it would be great if a few of the edited cars got some times so we could get a better indication of the true value of the generic maps.

I know that a GT with the edit had a dyno sheet with 279ishRWKW's. This car managed a best of 13.8 on the night. It had all the protections removed and 500rpm extra. It ran quicker before it had the edit.

I'm not having a go at anyone or thing. I'm just making facts that I know available for everyone to have a look at and make their own judgements. HPF have the edit and at somestage will more than likely use my car to see what it can do. I'll make sure to keep everyone informed of my progress.

Geea.

All valid and factual points Geea.

My other question is from experience and knowledge, I am trying to understand how auto T's with the edit can run 260rwkw without destroying the auto box. From numerous ones we have seen before the edit, the limitations of the auto box are approx 240-250rwkw then they either go bang or their life span is dramatically reduced to a matter of weeks/months.

These edit cars that are running 260rwkw, where are your autos currently at?

Then there are injectors at around 260rwkw plus, how are these guys running 260rwkw on standard systems, but that's a topic that is currently in the boxing ring for EMS, but where does the edit stand on it?

Then there are injectors at around 260rwkw plus, how are these guys running 260rwkw on standard systems, but that's a topic that is currently in the boxing ring for EMS, but where does the edit stand on it?

pls explain this clearer?

as I see it the edit cars are a threat to aps but they are not acheiving the same out put so not as much chance of peter looking like a total ####!

that's his concern as I see it!

To clarify further Nick, I understand certain things may or may not have been achieved with EMS, I am not here to get involved in that.

What I am trying to understand is how the edit achieve's 260rwkw with altering the fuel system. Even at a point CAPA indicates that the injectors need to be changed to cope.

From my limited non industry experience everything has limitations. At some point the fuel delivery system will not be able to supply the required capacity to the engine.

Once again only talking from an edit perspective, I cannot believe ford have built in a fuel system that will deliver an additional 30+ percent power when alot of the other components in the car cannot cope with that sort of increase.

My main point out of my paragraphs above is factoring in the point about fuel, I cannot see how the 260rwkw dyno readings are correct?

I am very keen to see a modded T with edit go down the qtr to see a MPH reading, as the couple I know of that have gone down have not been able to represent their rwkw figures in MPH down the track.

Hope you understand my point.

Cheers

[Geeseman]

On a bit of a side note, is it easy to change the transmission oil? there is no notice of it in the manual. What oil is recommended as well?

[doublek]

I started a thread on this a few weeks back and asked what is the max rwkw the auto can handle and the answer was that with a good oil and trans cooler you can handle a fair bit eg 260rwkw.

the edit though may be a different story as it changes things (such as shift points etc.) but I cannot understand how you can get extra power with the edit and go over the threshold that the auto can handle without putting coolers and expensive oils in.

can anyone help or should we start a new topic on this.

[aps]

I believe that dyno numbers should only be used as a tuning tool to assist in a cars development. The dyno numbers combined with 1/4mile MPH will give a much more accurate indication of a cars true power.

Wise words Geea, the MPH indeed demonstrates the TRUE power of the engine.

With my next comment I'm not trying to upset anyone. I find the 260rwkw's a bit hard to believe for edit only. An auto T with 260rwkw's should be able to run 12.8/12.9 @112mph.

Spot on geea, a GENUINE 260RWkW's will deliver a mid 12 second ET at around 112 MPH and in fact many Melbourne based XR6T's have run these ET's and MPH with that power level.

Peter

[JB]

I believe that dyno numbers should only be used as a tuning tool to assist in a cars development. The dyno numbers combined with 1/4mile MPH will give a much more accurate indication of a cars true power.

Wise words Geea, the MPH indeed demonstrates the TRUE power of the engine.

With my next comment I'm not trying to upset anyone. I find the 260rwkw's a bit hard to believe for edit only. An auto T with 260rwkw's should be able to run 12.8/12.9 @112mph.

Spot on geea, a GENUINE 260RWkW's will deliver a mid 12 second ET at around 112 MPH and in fact many Melbourne based XR6T's have run these ET's and MPH with that power level.

Peter

Not my T 260rwkw and low 13's

Hmm, throw in a bad 60ft as well

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