Std Injectors Over 240 Rwkw

[JB]

but I cannot understand how you can get extra power with the edit and go over the threshold that the auto can handle without putting coolers and expensive oils in.

In different words Doublek that is my exact point

[geea]

I believe that dyno numbers should only be used as a tuning tool to assist in a cars development. The dyno numbers combined with 1/4mile MPH will give a much more accurate indication of a cars true power.

Wise words Geea, the MPH indeed demonstrates the TRUE power of the engine.

With my next comment I'm not trying to upset anyone. I find the 260rwkw's a bit hard to believe for edit only. An auto T with 260rwkw's should be able to run 12.8/12.9 @112mph.

Spot on geea, a GENUINE 260RWkW's will deliver a mid 12 second ET at around 112 MPH and in fact many Melbourne based XR6T's have run these ET's and MPH with that power level.

Peter

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Not my T 260rwkw and low 13's

Hmm, throw in a bad 60ft as well

Dam Manuals

Next T's an Auto

with a better driver

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What was your MPH JB and how bad was the clutch slipping?

Maybe you should try and drive it with porper footwear rather than the sandals? :lol:

Geea.

[aps]

I believe that this thread is somewhat useless unless all of the cars are tested on one type/brand of dyno, same day/environmental conditions, and with the same fuel octane, there are huge variations in power measured across the different brands of dynos.

Peter

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I believe that dyno numbers should only be used as a tuning tool to assist in a cars development. The dyno numbers combined with 1/4mile MPH will give a much more accurate indication of a cars true power.

What Peter says about different conditions is very true too. I remember one of the first dyno days at Dynomotive in Bayswater. There were a dozen or so auto T's 10 of them ran 1855-190rwkw's and mine and one other ran 201rwkw's. The only difference between the cars was that the 2 that ran 201rwkw's both used 98ron fuel whilst the rest used standard unleaded.

With my next comment I'm not trying to upset anyone. I find the 260rwkw's a bit hard to believe for edit only. An auto T with 260rwkw's should be able to run 12.8/12.9 @112mph. I hope they do and it would be great if a few of the edited cars got some times so we could get a better indication of the true value of the generic maps.

I know that a GT with the edit had a dyno sheet with 279ishRWKW's. This car managed a best of 13.8 on the night. It had all the protections removed and 500rpm extra. It ran quicker before it had the edit.

I'm not having a go at anyone or thing. I'm just making facts that I know available for everyone to have a look at and make their own judgements. HPF have the edit and at somestage will more than likely use my car to see what it can do. I'll make sure to keep everyone informed of my progress.

Geea.

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All valid and factual points Geea.

My other question is from experience and knowledge, I am trying to understand how auto T's with the edit can run 260rwkw without destroying the auto box. From numerous ones we have seen before the edit, the limitations of the auto box are approx 240-250rwkw then they either go bang or their life span is dramatically reduced to a matter of weeks/months.

These edit cars that are running 260rwkw, where are your autos currently at?

Then there are injectors at around 260rwkw plus, how are these guys running 260rwkw on standard systems, but that's a topic that is currently in the boxing ring for EMS, but where does the edit stand on it?

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how are these guys running 260rwkw on standard systems, but that's a topic that is currently in the boxing ring for EMS, but where does the edit stand on it?

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The stock XR6T fuel system won't support 260 RWkW's DW with a safe air fuel ratio (12:1 air fuel ratio, that is absolute BS Dynowog.

Had a T on the dyno this morning with a dead stock fuel system and an edit tune, scary/lean air fuel mixtures and 239 RwkW's first dyno run, 45 seconds later a second dyno run 227 RWkW's. Bottom line the stock fuel system is running 100% duty cycle by 5200 RPM and can't support higher power without larger injectors or higher fuel pressure.

Peter

[JB]

I believe that dyno numbers should only be used as a tuning tool to assist in a cars development. The dyno numbers combined with 1/4mile MPH will give a much more accurate indication of a cars true power.

Wise words Geea, the MPH indeed demonstrates the TRUE power of the engine.

With my next comment I'm not trying to upset anyone. I find the 260rwkw's a bit hard to believe for edit only. An auto T with 260rwkw's should be able to run 12.8/12.9 @112mph.

Spot on geea, a GENUINE 260RWkW's will deliver a mid 12 second ET at around 112 MPH and in fact many Melbourne based XR6T's have run these ET's and MPH with that power level.

Peter

Not my T 260rwkw and low 13's

Hmm, throw in a bad 60ft as well

Dam Manuals

Next T's an Auto

with a better driver

What was your MPH JB and how bad was the clutch slipping?

Maybe you should try and drive it with porper footwear rather than the sandals?

Geea.

Consistant 107mph's

Clutch was not good at power, normal driving fine.

I did not want to delv any further into it as more and more evidence points to the driver

Hmm maybe the sandles whilst providing outright comfort and cooling ability, are not the dragracers footwear of choice?

Also not forgetting the fact that I did not wear my cape that day!

[aps]

I believe that dyno numbers should only be used as a tuning tool to assist in a cars development. The dyno numbers combined with 1/4mile MPH will give a much more accurate indication of a cars true power.

Wise words Geea, the MPH indeed demonstrates the TRUE power of the engine.

With my next comment I'm not trying to upset anyone. I find the 260rwkw's a bit hard to believe for edit only. An auto T with 260rwkw's should be able to run 12.8/12.9 @112mph.

Spot on geea, a GENUINE 260RWkW's will deliver a mid 12 second ET at around 112 MPH and in fact many Melbourne based XR6T's have run these ET's and MPH with that power level.

Peter

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Not my T 260rwkw and low 13's

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Sorry JB I was talking about T's with an auto trans, I have many customers who have run mid 12's with around 260 RWkW's (APS dyno figures) and big Mick ran a 12.15@118 MPH with onlty 272 RWkW's (APS dyno figures).

The manual won't do the same ET though will do the same/similar MPH at the same power level.

Peter

[JB]

I believe that dyno numbers should only be used as a tuning tool to assist in a cars development. The dyno numbers combined with 1/4mile MPH will give a much more accurate indication of a cars true power.

Wise words Geea, the MPH indeed demonstrates the TRUE power of the engine.

With my next comment I'm not trying to upset anyone. I find the 260rwkw's a bit hard to believe for edit only. An auto T with 260rwkw's should be able to run 12.8/12.9 @112mph.

Spot on geea, a GENUINE 260RWkW's will deliver a mid 12 second ET at around 112 MPH and in fact many Melbourne based XR6T's have run these ET's and MPH with that power level.

Peter

Not my T 260rwkw and low 13's

Sorry JB I was talking about T's with an auto trans, I have many customers who have run mid 12's with around 260 RWkW's (APS dyno figures) and big Mick ran a 12.15@118 MPH with onlty 272 RWkW's (APS dyno figures).

The manual won't do the same ET though will do the same/similar MPH at the same power level.

Peter

I know Peter, you are spot on as that is what I have seen anytime I have been at the drags. All the auto T's with similar rwkw punch out very similar MPH, I was more joking at the point that the Manuals whilst having the power are not as quick, and show similar mph but varrying times against the drivers ability.

[XRSEX]

To answer your question Dynowog. I had a unichip in my ute for a few months with an APS Intercooler and a Malpassi Fuel Regulator running 10psi achieving 245.8rwkw. When I got the EMS I pulled the Fuel Reg out and kept the boost level the same and achieved 268.9rwkw. These figures are true and correct.

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trumpy with all due respect looks like you did not get the point did you? I was trying to keep all the out of here hence the banter box bit!

look like this one will end up that way now!

[Blown BA]

The best I've had with the standard injectors is 233rwkw's. This also produced boost cut when cold due to the injectors being at there limits. This was with a 2nd CAI and centre muffler removed with the Xede. This was with my old car "BOOF". With this combination I ran a best of 13.3@105mph.

Geea.

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Yep same mods as craig and l got 237rwkw

[Geeseman]

To answer your question Dynowog. I had a unichip in my ute for a few months with an APS Intercooler and a Malpassi Fuel Regulator running 10psi achieving 245.8rwkw. When I got the EMS I pulled the Fuel Reg out and kept the boost level the same and achieved 268.9rwkw. These figures are true and correct. 

I might sound uneducated here, and in the world of tuning vehicles I am for sure, but it seems strange indeed that people claim all sorts of variances with different piggybacks etc. Some get 270rwkw@10psi, others it takes 12Psi. Some are running 350rwkw @ 13PSI while it takes others over 18PSI to make the same power.

Now correct me if im wrong, but dont these devices all do similar things?

If so then the variations are down to discrepancies between the realistic figures that their dynos provide.

From what Ive seen you need about 10-13PSI peak to make 270rwkw, 15PSI peak to make 310rwkw(both auto) yet we have figures all over the shop from everyone and their dog.

Suggesting that you can remove one chip and replace it with another and gain 25rwkw seems very odd to me indeed. Surely its the tune rather than the ECU and even then its still vague to compare. Perhaps tuner A spent much less time than tuner B. Who knows.