Xr8 Drivers To Pay More For Parking?

[ZAP]

When I was a lad we used to do burnouts outside Harolds house in mosman as he was bad when in mosman council

I showed him that "his" speed humps in Awaba St could be taken at 110km/h and not the 10km/h he thought

I hope I did not create his left wing opinions about driving and cars

[JB]

When I was a lad we used to do burnouts outside Harolds house in mosman as he was bad when in mosman council

I showed him that "his" speed humps in Awaba St could be taken at 110km/h and not the 10km/h he thought

I hope I did not create his left wing opinions about driving and cars :o

[plonky]

Im not a fan of the bigger 4wd's in the city, hard to see around and dangerous in a collision.. my 2c worth, sorta off topic

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What about prime movers and trailers?

Buses?

Light rigids, medium rigids etc?

I would prefer to be in a 4wd in a crash than some little tin foil Jap thing.

I'm not interested as to whether a pedestrian has a better chance of survival if they are hit by a 4WD.....roads are for motor vehicles, footpaths are for pedestrians and a defensive driver is aware of his surroundings and drives accordingly.

[aniken]

Aniken is loving this aren't you shorty? I hate Scruber

Scotty

p.s. Hi Plonky

Parking in my street is free at the moment, so it doesn't affect me . However, it just so happens that I received a letter from North Sydney Council to the effect that it had received "representation from a number of residents" about the difficulty of finding parking in my street, and they were therefore thinking about expanding the '2 hour parking limit without residents permit' scheme to the whole fcuken street (I added the fcuken bit). So, instead of paying nothing, I may have to pay $44 a year (or maybe less, if the focus qualifies for the small car discount). Could the timing be more than coincidence??? Methinks Council is on a revenue raising trip

[plonky]

Aniken is loving this aren't you shorty? I hate Scruber

Scotty

p.s. Hi Plonky

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Parking in my street is free at the moment, so it doesn't affect me . However, it just so happens that I received a letter from North Sydney Council to the effect that it had received "representation from a number of residents" about the difficulty of finding parking in my street, and they were therefore thinking about expanding the '2 hour parking limit without residents permit' scheme to the whole fcuken street (I added the fcuken bit). So, instead of paying nothing, I may have to pay $44 a year (or maybe less, if the focus qualifies for the small car discount). Could the timing be more than coincidence??? Methinks Council is on a revenue raising trip

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Any sort of Government body that supplies services to taxpayers, has to raise funds somewhere.

Of course it is revenue raising! Consider this..when the State Government handed over parking enforcement to Local Councils, Council employed numbers of Parking Patrol Officers and they went beserk issuing parking fines. This is far different from when the Grey Ghosts (employed by the State Govt) were less prolific and issued far less tickets.

However, as the mayor of Nth Sydney Council says that the increases for 4wd's and 8 cyl vehicles is cost neutral, the Council is now guilty of imposing their bias and Communist ideology upon their residents. By use of a tax on a consumers democratic choice of motor vehicle, they are attempting to socially engineer what can and what can't be chosen by an individual.

Any argument that it is designed to protect the environment is inconsequential, particularly as it was announced at the time that the European Industrial Protectionism (Kyoto) Treat came into force, and Australia (quite rightly) is not a signatory (neither is China or India which produce massive amounts of CO2)

If they were serious about the increase in the cost of permits, it would be applied to cars that do not run on unleaded fuel and poorly maintained cars (like some dirty Greenie's smoke blowing, slogan painted, rusted out VW Beetle).

[TurboDewd]

More reasons not to live in Sydaney really...

Looney councils, Paul Vautin, crazy house prices, crazy roads and crazy traffic...

[JB]

Aniken is loving this aren't you shorty? I hate Scruber

Scotty

p.s. Hi Plonky

Parking in my street is free at the moment, so it doesn't affect me . However, it just so happens that I received a letter from North Sydney Council to the effect that it had received "representation from a number of residents" about the difficulty of finding parking in my street, and they were therefore thinking about expanding the '2 hour parking limit without residents permit' scheme to the whole fcuken street (I added the fcuken bit). So, instead of paying nothing, I may have to pay $44 a year (or maybe less, if the focus qualifies for the small car discount). Could the timing be more than coincidence??? Methinks Council is on a revenue raising trip

However, as the mayor of Nth Sydney Council says that the increases for 4wd's and 8 cyl vehicles is cost neutral, the Council is now guilty of imposing their bias and Communist ideology upon their residents. By use of a tax on a consumers democratic choice of motor vehicle, they are attempting to socially engineer what can and what can't be chosen by an individual.

If they were serious about the increase in the cost of permits, it would be applied to cars that do not run on unleaded fuel and poorly maintained cars (like some dirty Greenie's smoke blowing, slogan painted, rusted out VW Beetle).

Plonky

That's the exact point, as a society freedom of choice is being erroded by rules and regulations that do nothing but drive revenue. As indicated if they were serious about the cause, they would tackle the harder issues that contribute in today's society rather than making a big issue out of the minority issues.

[tab]

Aniken is loving this aren't you shorty? I hate Scruber

Scotty

p.s. Hi Plonky

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Parking in my street is free at the moment, so it doesn't affect me . However, it just so happens that I received a letter from North Sydney Council to the effect that it had received "representation from a number of residents" about the difficulty of finding parking in my street, and they were therefore thinking about expanding the '2 hour parking limit without residents permit' scheme to the whole fcuken street (I added the fcuken bit). So, instead of paying nothing, I may have to pay $44 a year (or maybe less, if the focus qualifies for the small car discount). Could the timing be more than coincidence??? Methinks Council is on a revenue raising trip

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However, as the mayor of Nth Sydney Council says that the increases for 4wd's and 8 cyl vehicles is cost neutral, the Council is now guilty of imposing their bias and Communist ideology upon their residents. By use of a tax on a consumers democratic choice of motor vehicle, they are attempting to socially engineer what can and what can't be chosen by an individual.

If they were serious about the increase in the cost of permits, it would be applied to cars that do not run on unleaded fuel and poorly maintained cars (like some dirty Greenie's smoke blowing, slogan painted, rusted out VW Beetle).

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Plonky

That's the exact point, as a society freedom of choice is being erroded by rules and regulations that do nothing but drive revenue. As indicated if they were serious about the cause, they would tackle the harder issues that contribute in today's society rather than making a big issue out of the minority issues.

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I beg to differ. Wouldn’t you class it as more of a political point scoring attempt rather than revenue raising.

I far from agree with it, but every now and then it will pop in the media about 4x4’s in metropolitan areas, so the council is “seen” to be doing something about it and the next election all of the lemming voters will remember what a great local council the have and vote them back in. If the councils want more revenue on the other hand all the have to do is up the rates by a fraction of a percent across the board – no other level of government has this autonomous ability to set there own revenue.

But like Plonky mentioned, what about all of the B-doubles that are seen throughout suburbia, these pose more of a risk than anything else for the average driver (oxymoron really – the average driver can’t actually “drive”).

Trent.

[JB]

Understand what you are saying Trent, I suupose from my perspective I am saying they only address issues of political relevance as you indicated to score points rather than addressing the bigger issues that get down to the core.

Pollution is part of their justification against the 4wd but as yourself and many others have indicated there are more concerns than just 4wd's, in the sceme of things they are a minority.

I suppose I am looking at it from a melb perspective, but before they start going at these motorists and wanting to reduce congestion and pollution etc, maybe they should look at the public transport facilities and why people prefer to use their cars instead, as well as the inadiquacies of the freeway system and so on. There are more major contributors to the problems that have been highlighted by the council/government than some media hyped knee jerk reaction to a minority group.

BTW I do not have any 4wd's in my family nor do I like them on the city roads myself unless they are used for 4wding purposes.

I am just sick and tired of the political reactions to outbursts by minority groups like the pedestrian council.

[tab]

Couldn't agree more JB - minorites make the majority of noise, while the rest of Aus is too busy working hard and paying taxes to fund these minorities to I <3 Bananas it all up for us.

Kind of like a perfect circle really!

Trent.