aps Member 1,505 Member For: 21y 9m 4d Posted 23/02/05 03:26 AM Share Posted 23/02/05 03:26 AM now peter hmmm you say mph = real power? of course its in writing!<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Look Nicko, there's no use spinning around in the merry-go-round of discussing flywheel versus wheel horsepower.One thing that is definitive is the fact that given identical vehicle mass, the greater the engine power, the higher the terminal speed (mph).George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Forum Superhero Donating Members 3,109 Member For: 21y 14d Location: Eastern Suburbs of Mexico Posted 23/02/05 03:28 AM Share Posted 23/02/05 03:28 AM Would have been good to keep this thread on the topic of qtr times in a manual, rather than turning into another everyone vs everyone thread.It was interesting reading and would have hopefully continued as us manual guys got better tunes and perfected our techniques and posted results and experiences, but once again it's turned into an off topic fight.Another thread that I won't bother reading/following on an ongoing basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordboy1981 Donating Members 2,075 Member For: 21y 10m 23d Gender: Male Location: Sydney, NSW Posted 23/02/05 03:30 AM Share Posted 23/02/05 03:30 AM very interesting Russ...very good point too about the autos...Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawsy Wanabe mechanical engineer Donating Members 960 Member For: 20y 2m 24d Gender: Male Location: At the computer, obviously..... Posted 23/02/05 03:39 AM Share Posted 23/02/05 03:39 AM Another thread that I won't bother reading/following on an ongoing basis. Gee, what a shame.Its interesting to note that you guys are saying that it is the FWHP that determines the terminal, and not the rear wheel. This has been my thoughts aswell, and why I was saying that, while the auto takes more effort to turn on a dyno, in the real world the usable power of both auto's and manuals is roughly the same. But clearly, the fact that the auto can stay on boost and that none of the manual drivers have the driveline strength to shift more brutally, down the quarter its a different story, as all the manual guys are losing speed with every shift (not maintaining, but losing).... Anyways.... Would love to see someone fit up a Holinger to their T, that would make for an interesting drive.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Forum Superhero Donating Members 3,109 Member For: 21y 14d Location: Eastern Suburbs of Mexico Posted 23/02/05 03:46 AM Share Posted 23/02/05 03:46 AM (edited) Another thread that I won't bother reading/following on an ongoing basis. Gee, what a shame.Another constructive post, oh and how different your having a go at someone, oh that's right, you know it all. ADMIN SNIPPlease note that abuse of fellow members is in breach of forum policy and is now an issue that we (each and every one of us) must clamp down upon. Members must be treated with the respect and common decency that we all demand and deserve. This simple demand is one that will make the forum a much more enjoyable place and one where all members will feel welcome to participate.I welcome all to keep this in mind when posting - regardless of whether you agree or disagree (or in fact have misunderstood) the post you are responding to.Forum Director Edited 23/02/05 05:36 AM by CJF077 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street Tuner Member 727 Member For: 21y 11m 16d Posted 23/02/05 06:27 AM Share Posted 23/02/05 06:27 AM Anyone remember the big Moroso wheel that racers used to hold close to their chests?George<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ahh yes George...known amongst racers of the era as the 'Moroso Dreamwheel'As we learnt back then to use it your were dreamin' the only way to do it was on the track! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guests Posted 23/02/05 08:07 AM Share Posted 23/02/05 08:07 AM Anyone remember the big Moroso wheel that racers used to hold close to their chests?George<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ahh yes George...known amongst racers of the era as the 'Moroso Dreamwheel'As we learnt back then to use it your were dreamin' the only way to do it was on the track!<{POST_SNAPBACK}>yes I thought that most of the calculators were based on the wheel or slide calculators?they must be dreaming too!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street Tuner Member 727 Member For: 21y 11m 16d Posted 23/02/05 08:18 AM Share Posted 23/02/05 08:18 AM It can be fairly accurate Nicklidis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macka'sxr6t Member 1,480 Member For: 20y 6m 13d Location: Mildura Posted 23/02/05 10:10 AM Share Posted 23/02/05 10:10 AM DW, you must understand that Macka's confusion was based upon the assumption that the resultant power figure was at the wheels. I don't for one second believe that Macka posted false information simply to provoke a response from APS - which is in all fairness, a post that is of benefit to all members who wish to learn more about the science of drag calculators.<{POST_SNAPBACK}>Your right George, Peter I did not post this to start a fight I was just after some clarification.Still as confused as before.If Craig and Dean are producing 390 Flkw to produce a top speed of 120 mph which I might add are proven, no argument from me on that score.Badxr has 450 Flkw yet still pulled the same mph.With a slipping clutch and no doubt plenty of wheel spin could this effect the mph by that much. If what I'm lead to believe the power of the engine still somehow over comes these problems should'nt Bruces mph still be higher than Craig & Deans.I only use these 3 cars as references as everyone is familiar with their cars and performances.It's nothing personal, just trying to understand the statements made.macka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badxr6 HEINRICH PERFORMANCE AND TUNING Donating Members 439 Member For: 20y 10m 2d Gender: Male Location: adelaide Posted 23/02/05 10:19 AM Author Share Posted 23/02/05 10:19 AM DW, you must understand that Macka's confusion was based upon the assumption that the resultant power figure was at the wheels. I don't for one second believe that Macka posted false information simply to provoke a response from APS - which is in all fairness, a post that is of benefit to all members who wish to learn more about the science of drag calculators.Your right George, Peter I did not post this to start a fight I was just after some clarification.Still as confused as before.If Craig and Dean are producing 390 Flkw to produce a top speed of 120 mph which I might add are proven, no argument from me on that score.Badxr has 450 Flkw yet still pulled the same mph.With a slipping clutch and no doubt plenty of wheel spin could this effect the mph by that much. If what I'm lead to believe the power of the engine still somehow over comes these problems should'nt Bruces mph still be higher than Craig & Deans.I only use these 3 cars as references as everyone is familiar with their cars and performances.It's nothing personal, just trying to understand the statements made.mackalaws of physics dont add up do they it frustrats me as much as the next personbut will try some things next time to hopefully make it all seam right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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