Fpv, Where Is This F6 Typhoon?

[OwnaXR6T]

Nothing I hear about the Typhoon will change how disapointed I am with the car.

To put this simply the difference between the T and the phoon should be like a

WRX and a WRX STI.

Its that simple.

[ZMAN]

Nothing I hear about the Typhoon will change how disapointed I am with the car.

Must admit my feelings are the same. This reallly was an ideal opportunity for FPV's to kick some HSV butt and once again they have gone soft c*ck!!!!!

It really is dissappointing....

[F6_Tornado]

Nothing I hear about the Typhoon will change how disapointed I am with the car.

To put this simply the difference between the T and the phoon should be like a

WRX and a WRX STI.

Its that simple.

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WRX is a totally different beast and something that will only produce when its neck is severely rung and thrashed to death and as such is not in the same category as the 1.8t vehicles we are comparing here. I liken your comparison of WRX>WRXSTI to the XR6 N/a and the F6….. Not relevant.

Well I suppose it’s like the XR8 and the GT ….. There is minimal difference in performance kw’s I.e. 30kw so its not going to be planets apart and neither is the F6>XR6T but that is the way Ford have made it.

We would all like 370kw but that won’t happen and I like all the other people who have ordered or bought an F6 we bought then full well knowing they only had 270kw.

XR6T>F6= 30kw

XR8>GT=30kw

WRX>WRX STI=?

Plane and simple to me its just peoples unrealistic expectations, not false advertising or media hype just peoples inability to read and understand what it is they are buying.

What people are missing is the F6 is and FPV version of the XR6T just the same as the GT is the FPV version of the XR8 nothing more nothing less and the GT owners all cry foul the same as the uneducated on this site and want more kw’s

It is what it is and what it is is what it was said to be 270kw’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But with all the luxuries that come with owning a FPV and having some individuality.

It will please some and give others something to winge about so each to their own and that is our own personal individuality.

On another note:

Take a look at Expensive Daewoo and the Kw climb they have been using in the last 5 years.

215kw

225kw

245kw

250kw

255kw

260kw

285kw

297kw

They only sneak it up little by little and I must admit Ford have taken bigger bites over the last few years but as usual WE all want more and are never satisfied. Like I “wish” the F6 was a 330Fwkw vehicle but I bought it knowing it was only 270Fwkw’s and as such the rest will be upto me.

Ask yourself these questions.

If offered a GT and an XR8 which one would I take and why?

For the straight line speed over the XR8(very very minimal) or for the vehicle it is?

No Contest. The same as the F6 and the XR6T

Enjoy the ride,

[DBOSS]

To put this simply the difference between the T and the phoon should be like a

WRX and a WRX STI.

Its that simple.

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It is

[DBOSS]

What a whole pile of CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It seems there is a lot of people on this site that have no Idea or just people who just change their opinions day by day to suit the flow.

Let’s consider some facts:

FPV advertised 270 Fwkw?

APS Dyno = 200.06 RWkw’s = close enough to 270fwkw  WELL STUFF ME!!!!

APS Dyno Clubsport 195RWkws=260 fwkws  WELL HOW ABOUT THAT

APS Dyno XR6T = 185 rwkws  200 krwks my ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So enough with the crap Dyno numbers and deal with some facts.

To an idiot like me it looks like the 270 FPV advertised was correct and we all knew it was 270 so WTF is everyone on about?????????? Oh and that’s Right the GT is 290 and that means the F6 should only produce what it does. Funny those results.

The other BEEF I have that I might as well get out while I’m having a dummy spit is:

This Crap about saving $15K by buying a XR6T instead of an F6 and spending the $15K on Mods.

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP ALSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Consider the standard XR6T Ute Cost  $41k

Consider the standard F6 Ute Cost $51k mmm $10k difference Well lets see now!!

We DONT get in the XR6T:

Passenger Air bag $495

Alarm system $620

Alloy Locking wheel nuts $44

Premium Brakes $2950

“5” 18” Alloy wheels $1900

100watt 6-speaker stereo $685

Sports Seats $1495

Sports steering wheel $695 

That alone comes close enough to $9k!!!

Then consider

Gt Front suspension.

Twin Pod Guages

Body shape and styling

FPV status

Individuality

Then Consider This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stronger Con Rods!

Stronger Valve springs.

Engine Oil cooler

BIGGER Aftercooler

Twin plate clutch… (Well maybe a worry) still spec wise very good and very expensive.

Farkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk Me anyone who thinks a T is a better bang for buck I believe is only trying to fool …..Well who I’m not sure.

Then last but not least ring APS or anyone else and ask which is cheaper the F6 or the XR6T to mod for more RWKW’s???

Why don’t all you knockers pull your heads in and just face the facts.

If you can’t afford it don’t bag it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because anyone in their right mind would rather start with an F6 than a XR6T FULL STOP

   

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100% spot on best bang for buck for sure,dont be to concerned about 1/4 mile times as ford has tuned the F6 for the boost to come on early and fall away dramaticaly to protect the std injectors running out of duty cycle add injectors and Edit or a piggyback and that's it no IC,valve springs,fuel pump or internals needed all supplyed by factory with warranty

[vuster]

Glad you got that off your chest F6Tornado. I have the same feelings as you in regards to this.

[Dagabond]

Oh, hang on a minute ... I seem to remember several posted dyno sheets for standard manual XR6Ts which were showing over 200rwkw so I suppose those lucky owners were sold a Typhoon motor instead of the standard 240kw jobbie.

Im sure you are well aware of the variances with stock turbo cars on dynos. Most range between 170-190rwkw maybe a little higher for the manual. The manual in the motor mag tested 185rwkw. My auto was 177rwkw. That said there may be cars out there that rate above this, but the range, which has been confirmed by some tuners, seems to be the status quo. With 60kw loss through the trans, the phoon is about spot on at 200-210rwkw. Also note that aps who supplied the dyno sheet in the motor mag said it was with low Ks so should improve.

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Vic Dyno Day July 2003 all stock XRT's

(except for some cold air intake mod's on some..)

210.0rwkw manual IMTRBO 2000 - pulp 13-11 6-5

209.8rwkw manual gctaylor 13000 15k BP ult 12.5-11.5 6-5

206.3rwkw manual Dagabond 17500 15k opti 13-11 6-5

202.0rwkw auto XRCISM 17000 15k opti 12-11 5.5

200.9rwkw auto GEEA 10100 ecu fix opti 12.5-11.5 6-5

195.0rwkw auto Attessa 1800 opti 12-11 6-4.5

193.1rwkw auto Richdave 13200 3k ulp+ 12-11 5.5

192.3rwkw auto deek 13300 3k BPpre 12-10 5.5

186.8rwkw auto Peter ??? ?? ulp? 12.5-11 5.5

185.1rwkw auto FPRXR6 4400 3k ulp 12-10 5-4.5

184.6rwkw auto bdennis 9800 3k ulp 11.5-9.5 5-4.5

[RATT]

Well I suppose it’s like the XR8 and the GT ….. There is minimal difference in performance kw’s I.e. 30kw so its not going to be planets apart and neither is the F6>XR6T but that is the way Ford have made it.

We would all like 370kw but that won’t happen and I like all the other people who have ordered or bought an F6 we bought then full well knowing they only had 270kw.

XR6T>F6= 30kw

XR8>GT=30kw

WRX>WRX STI=?

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WRX>WRX STI =27kw

[240 T]

What a whole pile of CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It seems there is a lot of people on this site that have no Idea or just people who just change their opinions day by day to suit the flow.

Let?s consider some facts:

FPV advertised 270 Fwkw?

APS Dyno = 200.06 RWkw?s = close enough to 270fwkw  WELL STUFF ME!!!!

APS Dyno Clubsport 195RWkws=260 fwkws  WELL HOW ABOUT THAT

APS Dyno XR6T = 185 rwkws  200 krwks my ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So enough with the crap Dyno numbers and deal with some facts.

To an idiot like me it looks like the 270 FPV advertised was correct and we all knew it was 270 so WTF is everyone on about?????????? Oh and that?s Right the GT is 290 and that means the F6 should only produce what it does. Funny those results.

The other BEEF I have that I might as well get out while I?m having a dummy spit is:

This Crap about saving $15K by buying a XR6T instead of an F6 and spending the $15K on Mods.

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP ALSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Consider the standard XR6T Ute Cost  $41k

Consider the standard F6 Ute Cost $51k mmm $10k difference Well lets see now!!

We DONT get in the XR6T:

Passenger Air bag $495

Alarm system $620

Alloy Locking wheel nuts $44

Premium Brakes $2950

?5? 18? Alloy wheels $1900

100watt 6-speaker stereo $685

Sports Seats $1495

Sports steering wheel $695 

That alone comes close enough to $9k!!!

Then consider

Gt Front suspension.

Twin Pod Guages

Body shape and styling

FPV status

Individuality

Then Consider This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stronger Con Rods!

Stronger Valve springs.

Engine Oil cooler

BIGGER Aftercooler

Twin plate clutch? (Well maybe a worry) still spec wise very good and very expensive.

Farkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk Me anyone who thinks a T is a better bang for buck I believe is only trying to fool ?..Well who I?m not sure.

Then last but not least ring APS or anyone else and ask which is cheaper the F6 or the XR6T to mod for more RWKW?s???

Why don?t all you knockers pull your heads in and just face the facts.

If you can?t afford it don?t bag it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because anyone in their right mind would rather start with an F6 than a XR6T FULL STOP

   

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Well done mate, Exactly what I think, and it saved me 30Min from not having to type it up

[Typhoon]

When are the non F6 owners going to get off their high horses (keyboards) and pull their heads from their    and get a grip?? 

Forget what the FPV website says - its written by marketing people who are about as trustworthy as politicians.    Remember the old addage: Believe nothing you hear and only half what you see and then you will find you won't be as surprised or dissapointed in life.

Lets look at some facts for a change and not the crap some have put forward. The F6 has 'allegedly' 270kw and yet everyone is surprised that on a dyno it has about 20rwkw less than a GT/GTP! Well who f-íng thought it would do better than a GT anyway??? The GT/GTP has 20fwkw more than an F6 so its hardly going to out perform a GT/GTP on a dyno is it??

From what many have said they expected the F6 for be some God given mythical weapon passed down to the Ford/FPV faithfull to slay the dark beast - HSV 

Lets look at facts. The XR6T is one of the world best performance cars for the money - that's a given. They dyno better than their claimed 240fwkw so the comparison to the F6 is not necessarily a flattering one for the F6 as they do seems to dyno under the claimed 270fwkw, but, not one well run-in F6 has been dyno'd yet.  So are some suffering premature slagoff syndrome? Time will tell.

Another fact. The F6 is not a drag car. Full stop. They are heavy and they suffer from axel tramp. Torque on a drag strip means little - its all about power to weight, and the F6 has a sh1t load of the latter. If you want a quick 1/4 mile car go mod something lighter

As someone who got on the bandwagon early and have had an F6 for 6000Km and almost 2 months I can tell you it sh1ts all over my stage 1 XR6T as a package. The F6 is a magic car and no owner, Doc aside, has had too many bad words to say. Sure I've had a spray at times but much has been on the NCO's Ford fitted to most of the other cars - diff whine, gear box noises, crazy twin plate clutch etc.

Who here has spent at least 1 hour in an F6 on a good bit of road? Of those who have had that pleasure, who came away unhappy with the car??  I bet a can to case that anyone who has driven one on a good piece of road will have come away with a huge smile just as if they pumped Kylie Minogue in the    The F6 is a Grand Tourer in std form. that's what FPV do! If you want it to be more mod it just like Hilly and others have and reap the rewards, just the same as you would with an XR6T.

Sure Motor slag it off for issues, and much of what they say is justified, but I think many have fallen for the marketing guys crap - hook line and sinker. It should not have had the clutch fail, the diff whine and the great gearbox growl that many Mk II cars will have, but it does and its still the best car I've owned/driven when you get it angry on a good bit of road.

I'm all for healthy debate and discussion but there seem to be a lot of armchair expert comments on a car most have never driven. Guys, get out there, drive one and then tell all the F6 not is a great car because untill you have driven one your not talking facts.

Now, in the interests on honest posts I'll fess up that I'm not satisfied with the std power - just like I was not satisfied with the std XR6T - so my car goes off to Steve at Redcliffe Dyno and Performance Friday week. (Thanks for the good oil Goldie) I'll post before and after dyno charts for all the blokes out there 'who like to watch'.

Now, can we all move on, your making me nervous about re-sale values with all the bad press

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I do understand were your coming from. Typhoon great concept but truth be told it dose under delever in the power department BIG TIME.