Fpv, Where Is This F6 Typhoon?

[RATT]

Very well said MYF6.

[stang]

Well said.

There were certainly many people who expected too much from the car and now it seems that are just as many who are ready to bag it...

Steve , should read many were, not are , as this would also include you sonny Jim Sorry mate , but it would appear that you have joined the circus.Specialty backflips as you were one of the harshest critics of the phoon

I agree I thought you would hae been telling everyone "I told ya so." Especially Geeea as he enjoyed busting your chops over it.

[stang]

Well said.

There were certainly many people who expected too much from the car and now it seems that are just as many who are ready to bag it...

Anway, I agree about the T with regards to its weight. Sometimes it feels like too heavy a car for city driving. Always on the brakes. Looks like a dust factory

Good luck with the mods and keep us informed

I totally disagree, WE DIDN`T EXPECT TOO MUCH, We were short delivered.

It should have been a better car than what it is.Ford at it`s best.

[Falchoon]

When are the non F6 owners going to get off their high horses (keyboards) and pull their heads from their    and get a grip?? 

Forget what the FPV website says - its written by marketing people who are about as trustworthy as politicians.    Remember the old addage: Believe nothing you hear and only half what you see and then you will find you won't be as surprised or dissapointed in life.

Lets look at some facts for a change and not the crap some have put forward. The F6 has 'allegedly' 270kw and yet everyone is surprised that on a dyno it has about 20rwkw less than a GT/GTP! Well who f-íng thought it would do better than a GT anyway??? The GT/GTP has 20fwkw more than an F6 so its hardly going to out perform a GT/GTP on a dyno is it??

From what many have said they expected the F6 for be some God given mythical weapon passed down to the Ford/FPV faithfull to slay the dark beast - HSV

Lets look at facts. The XR6T is one of the world best performance cars for the money - that's a given. They dyno better than their claimed 240fwkw so the comparison to the F6 is not necessarily a flattering one for the F6 as they do seems to dyno under the claimed 270fwkw, but, not one well run-in F6 has been dyno'd yet.  So are some suffering premature slagoff syndrome? Time will tell.

Another fact. The F6 is not a drag car. Full stop. They are heavy and they suffer from axel tramp. Torque on a drag strip means little - its all about power to weight, and the F6 has a sh1t load of the latter. If you want a quick 1/4 mile car go mod something lighter

As someone who got on the bandwagon early and have had an F6 for 6000Km and almost 2 months I can tell you it sh1ts all over my stage 1 XR6T as a package. The F6 is a magic car and no owner, Doc aside, has had too many bad words to say. Sure I've had a spray at times but much has been on the NCO's Ford fitted to most of the other cars - diff whine, gear box noises, crazy twin plate clutch etc.

Who here has spent at least 1 hour in an F6 on a good bit of road? Of those who have had that pleasure, who came away unhappy with the car??  I bet a can to case that anyone who has driven one on a good piece of road will have come away with a huge smile just as if they pumped Kylie Minogue in the    The F6 is a Grand Tourer in std form. that's what FPV do! If you want it to be more mod it just like Hilly and others have and reap the rewards, just the same as you would with an XR6T.

Sure Motor slag it off for issues, and much of what they say is justified, but I think many have fallen for the marketing guys crap - hook line and sinker. It should not have had the clutch fail, the diff whine and the great gearbox growl that many Mk II cars will have, but it does and its still the best car I've owned/driven when you get it angry on a good bit of road.

I'm all for healthy debate and discussion but there seem to be a lot of armchair expert comments on a car most have never driven. Guys, get out there, drive one and then tell all the F6 not is a great car because untill you have driven one your not talking facts.

Now, in the interests on honest posts I'll fess up that I'm not satisfied with the std power - just like I was not satisfied with the std XR6T - so my car goes off to Steve at Redcliffe Dyno and Performance Friday week. (Thanks for the good oil Goldie) I'll post before and after dyno charts for all the blokes out there 'who like to watch'.

Now, can we all move on, your making me nervous about re-sale values with all the bad press

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Where do I start replying to this? So many contradictions, so little time...

First off, congratulations with the purchase of the F6, glad you are happy with it. I agree they look great.

I'm one of your "armchair experts", never driven a Typhoon or even ridden in one.

You say it's a great car but then you go on to bag the clutch, diff and gearbox!

Then you say it has awesome power and would easily beat you old Phase 1 XR6T but then in the next breath it's not fast enough and you are going to take it to RDP and ask Steve to get more power!

One of the "facts" you forgot to mention was the low power of the F6. I'm sure you have seen APS' dyno graph where it was putting out only 200.4rwkw. There has been stock XR6Ts with similar (possibly more) power than this. Yes, I know driving on a dyno is not the same as driving on a road or dragstrip (ask Geeseman ) but for an extra $15K or so over the purchase price of a XR6T one would expect 220-230rwkw and not just a fancy spoiler kit. As for your comment about the F6 not being run in yet there's been plenty of XR6Ts with low miles been on the dyno. Here's the link to APS dyno sheet in case you missed it.

[Falchoon]

Well said.

There were certainly many people who expected too much from the car and now it seems that are just as many who are ready to bag it...

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This comment was tongue in cheek right...?

[Geeseman]

One of the "facts" you forgot to mention was the low power of the F6. I'm sure you have seen APS' dyno graph where it was putting out only 200.4rwkw. There has been stock XR6Ts with similar (possibly more) power than this.

That power is dead on for a 270fwkw vehicle. Anyone getting near it in a standard T needs to go and see another Tuner who has a properly calibrated dyno.

This comment was tongue in cheek right...? 

Nup.

I can only assume you are referring to my comments on the motor and wheels times being accurate in quite a few threads. Well, they were accurate. I didnt see any reason to doubt the mags as they have conducted many, many reviews before. A lot of people did though, stating magical numbers like 240rwkw for a 270fwkw car

[Turbo6man]

One of the "facts" you forgot to mention was the low power of the F6. I'm sure you have seen APS' dyno graph where it was putting out only 200.4rwkw. There has been stock XR6Ts with similar (possibly more) power than this.

That power is dead on for a 270fwkw vehicle. Anyone getting near it in a standard T needs to go and see another Tuner who has a properly calibrated dyno.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well Steve you're the in-house expert on doing dyno runs so I guess that must be right ...

Oh, hang on a minute ... I seem to remember several posted dyno sheets for standard manual XR6Ts which were showing over 200rwkw so I suppose those lucky owners were sold a Typhoon motor instead of the standard 240kw jobbie.

And T3 TE50s like mine must have over 270kw at the fly as they reportedly always go 205 -210 rwkw on dynos. No wonder I'm so happy driving my car!!! This probably also goes a long way to explaining why my T3 can fairly comfortably pull a car length or more on a GT/GT-P even though they supposedly have 40kw more power. THANK YOU TICKFORD - those were the days!! FPV management should hang their collective heads in shame!!!

[F6_Tornado]

What a whole pile of CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It seems there is a lot of people on this site that have no Idea or just people who just change their opinions day by day to suit the flow.

Let’s consider some facts:

FPV advertised 270 Fwkw?

APS Dyno = 200.06 RWkw’s = close enough to 270fwkw WELL STUFF ME!!!!

APS Dyno Clubsport 195RWkws=260 fwkws WELL HOW ABOUT THAT

APS Dyno XR6T = 185 rwkws 200 krwks my ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So enough with the crap Dyno numbers and deal with some facts.

To an idiot like me it looks like the 270 FPV advertised was correct and we all knew it was 270 so WTF is everyone on about?????????? Oh and that’s Right the GT is 290 and that means the F6 should only produce what it does. Funny those results.

The other BEEF I have that I might as well get out while I’m having a dummy spit is:

This Crap about saving $15K by buying a XR6T instead of an F6 and spending the $15K on Mods.

WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP ALSO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Consider the standard XR6T Ute Cost $41k

Consider the standard F6 Ute Cost $51k mmm $10k difference Well lets see now!!

We DONT get in the XR6T:

Passenger Air bag $495

Alarm system $620

Alloy Locking wheel nuts $44

Premium Brakes $2950

“5” 18” Alloy wheels $1900

100watt 6-speaker stereo $685

Sports Seats $1495

Sports steering wheel $695

That alone comes close enough to $9k!!!

Then consider

Gt Front suspension.

Twin Pod Guages

Body shape and styling

FPV status

Individuality

Then Consider This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stronger Con Rods!

Stronger Valve springs.

Engine Oil cooler

BIGGER Aftercooler

Twin plate clutch… (Well maybe a worry) still spec wise very good and very expensive.

Farkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk Me anyone who thinks a T is a better bang for buck I believe is only trying to fool …..Well who I’m not sure.

Then last but not least ring APS or anyone else and ask which is cheaper the F6 or the XR6T to mod for more RWKW’s???

Why don’t all you knockers pull your heads in and just face the facts.

If you can’t afford it don’t bag it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because anyone in their right mind would rather start with an F6 than a XR6T FULL STOP

Edited 18/01/05 10:36 PM by F6_Tornado

[F6_Tornado]

BTW I only used APS Dyno as an example because some members will only believe what APS say…..

No Offence Peter, George

[Geeseman]

Oh, hang on a minute ... I seem to remember several posted dyno sheets for standard manual XR6Ts which were showing over 200rwkw so I suppose those lucky owners were sold a Typhoon motor instead of the standard 240kw jobbie.

Im sure you are well aware of the variances with stock turbo cars on dynos. Most range between 170-190rwkw maybe a little higher for the manual. The manual in the motor mag tested 185rwkw. My auto was 177rwkw. That said there may be cars out there that rate above this, but the range, which has been confirmed by some tuners, seems to be the status quo. With 60kw loss through the trans, the phoon is about spot on at 200-210rwkw. Also note that aps who supplied the dyno sheet in the motor mag said it was with low Ks so should improve.