Typhoon Vs Clubbie Vs Evo

[Venom XR6]

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Venom XR6

Yesterday, 08:31 PM

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Its a car built to a price. By using the stock 6 injectors Ford saved a bundle on emissions testing and engineering dollars required to get it to pass the emissions test again.

Is it just me? or does the above make no sense at all?

The Typhoon engine is physically different from the XR6T engine, makes more power than the XR6T engine, and makes more torque than the XR6T engine - why? because in simplistic terms it runs a different amount of boost to the XR6T engine, thus different fuelling requirements. From reading your post, what you are trying to say is that just because the same fuel injectors as the XR6T are used in the Typhoon, that it doesnt need to be emissions tested again.... I don't think so...

The bottom line here is that the engine mapping of the Typhoon is different to that of the XR6T, thus it would most CERTAINLY have to undergo emissions testing.

Ross

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If they change the injectors and get more fuel flow they then have to engineer it to get past emissions. Changing injectors might mean failing an emissions test. I guess they figured they got enough out of it without having to do injectors so they left it as is. Just assuming.

[maximum_velocity]

  Geeseman said:

I just bought this issue and read it. The editorial and the article in the first few pages about the clutch issue and PCOTY sure hammered the typhoon good. It was pretty piss weak of ford to blame Motor through the media and a stupid thing to do IMO which probably resulted in such a large piece in the magazine. Bad PR for Ford.

Anyway the Phoon got hammered in the comparison with the EVO and Clubby. Its merits that they mentioned were those that apply to the XR6T and even the XT in terms of handling and chassis performance. Makes me wonder about the longevity of the 4lt engine given that ford have been so restrictive with the boost in the car. Its window for performance is very narrow which results in a less enjoyable driving experience. Perhaps ford should have only chucked 8psi into it and kept it across the rev range instead of dropping off so much.  Edit has shown this is possible with the standard injectors.

They also mentioned that the T is some 13k cheaper thant the phoon and it might pay for some people to consider a T and phase 2 kit instead.

You could spend another 4K on top of the 58K+ dealer to get 300rwkw with a phase Kit for the Phoon, which some people have done and are very happy with, but you'd still be 13k out of pocket compared to a T with similar power and phase 2.

Having said this, I think that the phoon is a good car being modelled on the T and has potential like the T when modded. Im sure people who have it and a phase kit are very happy.

Pretty harsh examination of FPV's new car methinks....

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exactley wat I was thinking. couldnt have said it myself

[Marcos]

I cant help but think that if Geoff Polites was still the boss in Ford Australia, maybe the F6 would've been a better performer????

[TheTaipan]

Page 11 of the same Motor Magazine - Februrary 05, has an article on the Typhoon's speed issues...

"WHERE'S THE SPEED - Typhoon has 30kW more than XR6T - so why is it slower?"

The article uses RWKW dyno graphs taken from XR8, XR6T and GT's they have run in the past...

According to their results the XR8 pulled 193 RWKW (which accounting for driveline losses they predict 257kW - near enough to the 260 factory quote)

XR6Turbo achieved 185kW - running it closer to 250kW at the flywheel! - They quote a usual stock figure of 185-190kW on standard turbo's.

Early F6 figures have been as low as 185kW and as high as 200kW.

SL

[eatV8]

Unless the Typhoon for the next model run picks up greatly in handling and acceleration It will follow the same path as that HSV XU6 thing... I hope they fix it.

[Guest jteale]

  TheTaipan said:

Page 11 of the same Motor Magazine - Februrary 05, has an article on the Typhoon's speed issues...

"WHERE'S THE SPEED - Typhoon has 30kW more than XR6T - so why is it slower?"

The article uses RWKW dyno graphs taken from XR8, XR6T and GT's they have run in the past... 

According to their results the XR8 pulled 193 RWKW (which accounting for driveline losses they predict 257kW - near enough to the 260 factory quote)

XR6Turbo achieved 185kW - running it closer to 250kW at the flywheel! - They quote a usual stock figure of 185-190kW on standard turbo's.

Early F6 figures have been as low as 185kW and as high as 200kW. 

SL

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I've driven an F6 now ... and it is definitely slightly better than my T was stock ... but certainly nowhere near it now ... I would say it was roughly 10-15rwkw better than a T stock ... I think the Motor article is pretty acurate and it is a shame that Ford have pretty ordinary numbers and a dodgy clutch ... we can only hope Ford will deliver a performance power house one day in the future ... but I suspect new management would be required

Cheers, Jason.

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I reckon fpv have restricted power in the typhoon because they are to scared of the threat of gm releasing the tt36. so by hsv not being pressed for performance ,which was fpvs only chance at threatening hsv, cos the gt certainly does not do that. I know hsv have said they have no plans to release the tt36 or any hot six but I am sure that if fpv could match and even beat the performance of their major weapon the 6 litre that they would think again about a hot six. and even if captain crennan says no Expensive Daewoo are capable of doing it and they have no major preference of a car being a v8 only. so I rekon it is only a matter of time before the dark side releases a quick six so fpv should take the lead but if I know fpv well enough they will be happy enough to merely match performance not set new benchmarks like hsv continues to.

that's just wat I think

[Guest wrx365]

  Geeseman said:

  Turbo6 said:

Has any other Ford forum bagged the absolute  out of the Typhoon other than (or like) this one??

I was actually going to buy a nice black F6 but won't be now.

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For the number of phoon baggers there are on this forum there was an equal amount of people who bashed motor and wheels mags when they first came out and posted the original times for the phoon a few months back.

Ford can't hide from the truth and perhaps some sentiments are fueled by fords consistance back seat stance to HSV on the performance car front in Australia.

Still, as its modelled on the T, the Phoon is a good car for people wanting the FPV namesake and the potential that lies within the car when modding. It would appear that purchasers of the phoon would be missing their call if they didn't tinker with the car after purchasing it.

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The problem here is that Ford made the XR6T too much of a good car in the first place rather than the phoon being bad...I tend to believe what Motor said in the latest issue that the T is most likely 250KW than 240. The gap between the T and the phoon is probably much closer than we originally thought.

I don't think the majority of people here are directly bagging the Phoon. Its more a question of how much more value and performance you are getting over the T for the premium you are paying that people are challenging...I am sure if it was priced around $50K then people wouldn't be criticising it as much.

Ford have really boxed themselves into corner by building the T to its limits (from production and warranty point of view). Any increases over the T will require substantial investment in the car. They could have easily built the car to 300KW + but the price would have been closer to $70K+ (they probably worked out that the market wasn't big enough to support this).

Also you need to remember that the T is built by Ford and Phoon built by FPV, two different organisations with different engineers and priorities.

They should probably let Ford concentrate on building the Turbos and FPV building V8s.