Typhoon Troubles?

[Gareth]

I can only comment from my own experience with the XR6T, as I haven't looked at the Typhoon, and don't think I would. I've installed the APS stage 3 kit and I can't imagine a much better, quicker, more practical car than the T. For similar money once you upgrade the valve springs... and add in a few extras.

So, if you are allowed to modify, and don't mind losing your warranty, then that's what I'd do. If this isn't an option then I guess I'd buy the Typhoon.

I'm up to 45,000k's with no drive train issues, but I know I will need to re-build the Auto at some stage, so that probably makes the stage 3 a little more expensive, but it does have a lot more go (318 rwk).

Is it really true that the Typhoon's not as quick in a straight line? This seems to make no sense!!

[Guest menace]

Most slapped togeather over rated under powered thing Ford Aus have ever offered up IMHO. If you want D/Line Shunt, a complimentary 100kph diff howl, a gearbox with chatter in every gear above 1st then go and buy one, but don't say you wern't warned. Much better off with a series BA 2 Turbo, just keep all the standard bits if you tart it up and swap them back over at trade in time, or put an Edit in it and wipe it off at trade in time, either way you'll get a much quicker car than the Typhoon. With an Edit the only people who will know its even been done is you. DON'T BE FOOLED BY THE PRE RELEASE HYPE BECAUSE that's ALL IT WAS. HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME FPV :auto:

Doc, the drivline is basically the same in either of the two cars (F6 & XR6T MK2) why would you suggest the problems you have found with your F6 wont be found in a MK2 XR6t?

It could look like you may have a vendetta towards FPV...

[Panda]

...If I was making your choice, I'd do F6 with APS Edit....

Crikey, F6 with an edit???

...I would by a T, option it up, take my $10 odd grand that I have saved and go Phase 3...

I can't make any modifications.

...Your biggest issue here is the lease. I blew it off and went for a HP.  If you can’t vary your payment options, then I'd say go the F6 and leave it as it is...

Unfortunately it has to be a Novated Lease, Hire Purchase isn't allowed (well, it's of no tax benefit to me therefore not as attractive)

...You will need to do at least 25,000 km's /yr to make it affordable, otherwise FBT bites hard! (20% vs 11%) Tax benefit is REAL...

Yes, I lease an XR6 at the moment. It works out quite well so I am eager to do it again. I don't think I'll buy the car out at the end of the lease, it's had a pretty tough life.

...I have had a few realtively minor issues with the car and would be happy to let you know more about them...

Little issues I can live with.

...For similar money once you upgrade the valve springs... and add in a few extras.  So, if you are allowed to modify, and don't mind losing your warranty, then that's what I'd do. If this isn't an option then I guess I'd buy the Typhoon...

No, not allowed to modify

Thanks for you comments all, I guess the consensus is that the Typhoon is the best un-modified of the two. After all, it is just a factory modified T. There's none at the local Ford dealer so I haven't been able to drive one as yet. That's the plan for now, drive a Typhoon and a XR6 Turbo back to back, if the Typhoon doesn't earn it's $13,000 premium, the T it is.

Panda

[hypnodoc]

Doc, the drivline is basically the same in either of the two cars (F6 & XR6T MK2) why would you suggest the problems you have found with your F6 wont be found in a MK2 XR6t?

It could look like you may have a vendetta towards FPV...

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My point was that it doesn't matter whether you by a Falcon T or an FPV they all seem to have the same old boring faults and it would be cheaper to get the T. I don't have any vendetta against FPV and am a Blue Blood from way back, I have another one of their cars due at the end of Feb. I just wish they would get their act togeather, because if they don't I believe that within 2 years they will have been laughed out of the market place

I didn't take up Mr Flints offer to engage in conversation because I think it would be another waste of time, you can't make a silk purse out of a cows ear and a lemon is a lemon. A quick read through any of the ford forums and it quickly becomes obvious that if you buy an FMC or FPV BA you take pot luck as to what sort of QC your going to get re the diff and trans and drive line shunt. I think Mr Flint would be better off to invest his time in damage control with the Typhoon and the Ford Racing Team, than blowing hot air up my ar$e

[velociTy]

Doc, the drivline is basically the same in either of the two cars (F6 & XR6T MK2) why would you suggest the problems you have found with your F6 wont be found in a MK2 XR6t?

It could look like you may have a vendetta towards FPV...

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My point was that it doesn't matter whether you by a Falcon T or an FPV they all seem to have the same old boring faults and it would be cheaper to get the T. I don't have any vendetta against FPV and am a Blue Blood from way back, I have another one of their cars due at the end of Feb. I just wish they would get their act togeather, because if they don't I believe that within 2 years they will have been laughed out of the market place

I didn't take up Mr Flints offer to engage in conversation because I think it would be another waste of time, you can't make a silk purse out of a cows ear and a lemon is a lemon. A quick read through any of the ford forums and it quickly becomes obvious that if you buy an FMC or FPV BA you take pot luck as to what sort of QC your going to get re the diff and trans and drive line shunt. I think Mr Flint would be better off to invest his time in damage control with the Typhoon and the Ford Racing Team, than blowing hot air up my ar$e

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well said

[Geeseman]

Hi Panda,

You could install an APS unichip with plug in loom and 6 new injectors (which look identical to the old ones) on the Typhoon. This should allow for at least 270rwkw, maybe a bit less. Point is you can remove the unichip and injectors without any trace when you re-sell your car or give it back to the lease company. The injectors pop straight out and the plug in loom just un-plugs!

That power is pretty bloody good for a lease car

With an XR6T you couldn't get the same power without changing more on the car, which is not what you want. Typhoon has better springs and a bigger intercooler which make it a better choice for those wanting to change as little as possible from stock. Only problem is it's a manual and wont go as fast as a T auto

[Buf-Phoon]

Panda , you say that you have Novated lease and are not allowed to modify Says who ?? As long as the mods are not packaged pre tax and you pay for any warranty excempt repairs , it is really no damned business of the lease company .You still have to pay out the residual at the end , so whats the problem

BTW my modded T is on a Novated lease , bolt on , unbolt .....simple

Go the T and mod away my son

[F6_Tornado]

My point was that it doesn't matter whether you by a Falcon T or an FPV they all seem to have the same old boring faults and it would be cheaper to get the T. I don't have any vendetta against FPV and am a Blue Blood from way back, I have another one of their cars due at the end of Feb. I just wish they would get their act togeather, because if they don't I believe that within 2 years they will have been laughed out of the market place

I didn't take up Mr Flints offer to engage in conversation because I think it would be another waste of time, you can't make a silk purse out of a cows ear and a lemon is a lemon. A quick read through any of the ford forums and it quickly becomes obvious that if you buy an FMC or FPV BA you take pot luck as to what sort of QC your going to get re the diff and trans and drive line shunt. I think Mr Flint would be better off to invest his time in damage control with the Typhoon and the Ford Racing Team, than blowing hot air up my ar$e

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Can someone explain to me (maybe like a 6 year old) so I can understand WTF is the difference besides ratio between the :

XR8 Auto Transmission and the GT Auto Transmission?

XR8 Manual transmission and the GT Manual?

The Actual IRS between the XR8 and the GT?

It would seem that the Auto transmissions are the same as the manual transmission and the basic IRS and this also applies to the XR6T and the F6:

The thing is Doc you can bag all yo like, But I’m confused as to what you’re actually beefing about, as Id say that apart from the Bulge in the bonnet and the 290Boss under the bonnet there is no difference at all between your GT and the F6.

Well we even know that the front suspension is the same as the Mk1 Gt so the only difference is as staed above.

Which brings me to why do you love the GT and now hate the F6?

At first you were ecstatic about the F6 and one only needs to read some of your early posts to ascertain the “Awesome” experience you had when you took delivery of it.

One can only now surmise it has been somewhat of a love affair gone bad due to problems other than the Driveline Clunk, Diff noise etc as all these “Ford Trade marks” are present with all FORD vehicle and is not just with the F6.

Even the Gearbox that you hate is the same apart from first gear ratio that will be in the GT when it arrives in to fill your GT order so all in all Doc sadly I think you have lost the plot somewhat!!!!!

In actual fact your F6 is no different to any other GT or F6 or XR8 or XR6T when it comes to driveline and Id say you need to get a new Ford Dealer that has some expertise in service, Support and customer relations to ensure that the trivial things that have gotten up your nose as rectified to your satisfaction.

Keeping in mind you being a GT owner in the past were aware of all the driveline issues and have ordered another Gt full well knowing the MkII is the same, and if you still think the GT will be free of all these defects then think again co’s its all the same under the chassis as the F6 you’re driving right now mate.

Don’t take me wrong Doc as I like most hate it when things go bad and this for you at least looks to have gone bad but I think we have all received your message and are even getting tired of it somewhat now sorry.

Could it be you’re trying to embarrass your Ford dealer into a really really good price on the upcoming Gt ? I hope so Doc for the simple reason underneath its not going to be any better than the F6 you’re driving now apart from that beautiful sound that emits from the rear end of a Ford V8.

Less Torque, More kw and a Beatifull sound with a Bulge is the only difference the way I see it.

Then once the 0013 Ghost is gone you will be left with the empty wallet after the GT initial purchase cost and the Twin turbo APS kit some $15k = $85k maybe give or take $5k

The F6 you have has another $4.5k to take it to 300+rwkws and a total of $65k mmmm I know what Id be doing and even going further with another $5k and head for the 400+ rwks Still cheap compared to moding the GT and a cool $20k saving in my book but at the end of the day it will still only be an F6 but a GT killer toboot.

Bit like a bad divorce mate it hurts sometimes when you make decisions on the spot and don’t think about them then cost you BIG time.

Relax Doc it cant be all that bad and when you have the APS fitted just remember apart from the engine the rest is the same as the bloody GT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,

BTW I think your mad for not ringing David Flnt after he told you to ring him???????

Unless?

Edited 15/01/05 06:22 AM by F6_Tornado

[WBT56]

Doc, if I may make a point and ask a question: I would have said that until you speak to Mr Flint, it would be unfair (regardless of your problems with Ford to date) to comment further on the matter. At least give him the opportunity to help. It is difficult for someone to fix a problem unless they are told what it is. Can you list precisely what you are not happy with about your car, (between crank and wheels for me). Ben.

[FPV 521]

I would get the F6. I mean its a lease job so if you do have problems take the car back as it costs you nothing to repair.

I wouldnt bother about about the Motor reviews. Just take one for a drive and good luck with what ever you pick.