Pretzel EMS makes MAGIC MUMBO ! Member 192 Member For: 21y 4m 9d Location: Melbourne Posted 18/12/04 01:33 AM Share Posted 18/12/04 01:33 AM Ok, I'll start this with statement: I don't want all the bullsh!t excuses I KNOW you are all going to come up with, so make any comments worth putting in ! (that probably means I won't hear from many of you !) I'll give you the facts, and you can then decide for yourself (Like you'll believe them anyway !) What will it be this time? Calder timing out ? The clutch issue: Failed to get the good one I was waiting on in time, so had the flywheel machined and replaced clutch with another STOCK clutch !What that means is that the power figures we had were reduced to avoid slip again !What was it wound down to you ask ? 300rwkw (approx) is my claim !Ok so what times did it run ?The car's preperation for the run was to put fuel in on the way to the track ! It ran with it's normal stuff in the car, spare wheel, jack, crap in console/glovebox Baby Seat etc.. I know the tyre pressures were spot on because Ford set them at the last Service (Approx 10K ago !) Hey they didn't look like they were flat so I figured they were perfect.... The plan was to run it exactly as I drive it on the street !Bear in mind I have run the car down the quarter a total of two times now and they were both last night !First run, bogged down severely off the line (I didn't allow for the sticky track !) I changed reasonably softly to make sure I could drive home, and ended up with a 2.300 60' and a 13.377 @ 111.12 MPHSecond run, I increased the revs a bit, but still bogged down2.194 60' and a 13.272 @ 108.16 MPHI know the car has a lot quicker time in it that practise would bring out, but from the figures above, I have worked out the following using this site:http://www.speedworldmotorplex.com/calc.htmYou can put the figures in for yourselves to confirm !I used a figure of 4100 Pounds for the car (I guess that's probably close to it's figure) Anyone able to give me an acurate weight of a T with driver etc..? I've guesed around the 1860KG'sSo what does that give me at the wheels ?Apparently with a car of that weight, running a 111.12MPH Trap speed has 439HP at the rear wheels, so what is that in KW ? 327KW at the rear wheels ! But that's impossible, we can only have 250-260 (If we believe all the crap we were told was FACT !)Hmmm.... we only set it to about 300 not 20 minutes before getting to Calder on Dynowogs dyno... Sounds to me like his dyno is reading pretty good if anything a little low ! how about you ? Oh, sorry you all say it is reading high by about 60 KW don't you ?Now here's where the fun starts !I'm not going to go through and mention everyone that bagged me and/or Nick about the claims we made, and said it was impossible etc.... And there's quite a few of you, and you know who you are !There is at least one personal mention required though, and that to BakedBeans...... Now what was the quote? Something like I will pay the site's fees for a year if anyone can prove standard injectors can do anywhere near 330RWKW +/- 10% (hey according to the calculated figures we're spot on !)Now what was it that Nick had done Bakedbeans ? Sucked me into believing the figures.... well Fu@k me, they've been proven at Calder ! Now who looks like the fool ? Imagine how much better I would have been had I got more than 2 runs !! (Yes I'm saying I was the slow bit in those times and the car should have done a 12 !!) :o Put the Weight and Power into the site I used to get the power ! 12.3 would be a perfect run ! Pay up sucker ! Now for the rest of you that had a go at me or more at Nick, I'll be expecting to see some retractions of statements, I'd even go so far as to apologose ? Hey that'd be nifty idea, to actually go back and address abuse when it was unfounded, and plain wrong wouldn't it ?I was told I had to run it at the strip becaause that is the only REAL measure because no two dyno's are the same! that has been done now....... Satisfied ???? So let me hear the excuses as to why it is impossible, and EMS is not the best option for performance upgrades to the T !Pretzel Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/14673-ems-results/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
geea Site protagonist Lifetime Members 4,320 Member For: 21y 11m 9d Gender: Male Location: At the lights, waiting for you. Posted 18/12/04 01:44 AM Share Posted 18/12/04 01:44 AM I saw Pretzel run last night, yes it did happen there are witnesses.As to how much power the car has I'm not sure that the 13.2@108 backs up 300rwkw's. JB ran 13.4@107 with 260rwkw's. Both are manuals. JB's clutch was slipping badly that night. If I had to give the car a power figure I'd guess at 270rwkw's. Even if it has 270rwkw's that's still very impressive for the mods it has and the times are great too. Only Pretzel would know what the car has left in it. JB thinks that his car could get a 12 on a good run so Pretzels would probably be the same. More tuning and testing at bthe strip could show more power.Geea. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/14673-ems-results/#findComment-199996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagabond Bored Member Administrator 35,722 Member For: 22y 5m 7d Gender: Male Location: Dé·jà vu Posted 18/12/04 01:53 AM Share Posted 18/12/04 01:53 AM Make sure your sittin in a comfy chair here comes the afternoon's entertainment.... Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/14673-ems-results/#findComment-200004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 11m 27d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 18/12/04 01:55 AM Share Posted 18/12/04 01:55 AM Good for you Pretzel - stick it up em I'll go and warm up the humble pie.Trent. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/14673-ems-results/#findComment-200005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi fordxr5turbodotcom Member 892 Member For: 21y 6m 10d Gender: Male Location: Point Cook, Vic Posted 18/12/04 01:57 AM Share Posted 18/12/04 01:57 AM Pretzel good to hear everything is pumping and thumping nicely for ya I dunno if it's necessary to stick it so far up the doubters clacker though hehe :D Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/14673-ems-results/#findComment-200006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo6man Lifetime Members 4,084 Member For: 22y 6m 10d Gender: Male Location: South Coast NSW Posted 18/12/04 02:02 AM Share Posted 18/12/04 02:02 AM Pretzel and the wog ... now do you really think we'll see BB on the site again???Going for a beer now and some pretzels - should be a good afternoon's entertainment orright!!! Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/14673-ems-results/#findComment-200007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktford FORD FORD FORD Donating Members 9,390 Member For: 22y 1m 4d Gender: Male Location: Victoria Point In Brissy's eastern side Posted 18/12/04 02:06 AM Share Posted 18/12/04 02:06 AM You can certainly run a higher MPH than your power shows, regularly your fastest pass won't be your quickest. But even looking at the 108 pass, this shows as suggested about 409rwhp or 305rwkw's. This to me suggests that you'd be making about 360-370kw's in a manual & I think weight would be about 4200lbs, depending wether your weight is about 90kg's.Scottyp.s. all in all I'm impressed!! Well done guys Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/14673-ems-results/#findComment-200010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guests Posted 18/12/04 02:14 AM Share Posted 18/12/04 02:14 AM (edited) ktford said: this shows as suggested about 409rwhp or 305rwkw's..... dynowog runs to dyno to print 305 rwkw dyno graph....what a coincidence three runs consecutive 305, 302, 298 and dyno is out? Edited 18/12/04 02:16 AM by Dynowog Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/14673-ems-results/#findComment-200017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi fordxr5turbodotcom Member 892 Member For: 21y 6m 10d Gender: Male Location: Point Cook, Vic Posted 18/12/04 02:25 AM Share Posted 18/12/04 02:25 AM Dynowog said: ktford said: this shows as suggested about 409rwhp or 305rwkw's..... dynowog runs to dyno to print 305 rwkw dyno graph....what a coincidence three runs consecutive 305, 302, 298 and dyno is out?<{POST_SNAPBACK}>can we please not start up another debate about the dyno... it's old hat news that just smells of beer, tequila, jagermeister and vodka.... or is that just my breath at the moment after last nights efforts... THE HEAD IT HURTS! Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/14673-ems-results/#findComment-200019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guests Posted 18/12/04 02:35 AM Share Posted 18/12/04 02:35 AM Miyagi said: can we please not start up another debate about the dyno... it's old hat news that just smells of beer, tequila, jagermeister and vodka.... or is that just my breath at the moment after last nights efforts... THE HEAD IT HURTS!<{POST_SNAPBACK}>yeah there is no debate? Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/14673-ems-results/#findComment-200022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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