Typhoon Dyno Figures

[DBOSS]

  Geeseman said:

Just got back from Eastern Creek Raceway. FPV Tickford Club had a host of cars there and one of them was a Typhoon Shockwave Blue Colour. The owner was there and we had a good chat about his car which looked awesome. Shockwave is a nice colour indeed actually prefer it to blueprint

Anyway, he got the car from adelaide because of the shortage in delivery cars to NSW dealers and he has already dynoed it. 217Rwkw is the figure folks, which is in line with phase 1 XR6T without injectors and stands true to the cars 270fwkw rating. He is having a phase II kit placed on it this week so we should see the numbers grow but he is very happy with the car at the moment. He said the clutch was a bit funny but liked the 6 speed.

There you go.

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If it was done at dynowogs he would have got 277 rwklw :lol:

Torque is just as important as final rwklw figure

[YOOT]

217 sounds low, since some T on here made 209 stock and where run on the same day as other stock Ts that only made 174. Wierd.

[351]

I bet it will insrease by more than 15 kws in after some more kms on the clock

[Geeseman]

  rednut99 said:

217 sounds low, since some T on here made 209 stock and where run on the same day as other stock Ts that only made 174. Wierd.

It's the rwkw you'd expect from a 270fwkw car.

Ts have shown discrepancies but that is down to boost issues with individual cars. Piggyback ECUs tend to sort this out to an extent.

My car with phase 1 had around 230rwkw with 600nm of torque. This was with 8lb of boost. From what I've seen most T's with a piggyback only and around 8lb of boost get around 215-220rwkw.

[Turbo6man]

From a 270kw engine I would expect 215-225kw at the rears through a manual transmission ... and as the IRS absorbs more than a solid rear end I would expect the Typhoon to be towards the lower end and therefore I have to agree that 217 is probably close to the money.

Max torque doesn't come into the power calcs - only the amount of torque at the revs where max power is produced is relevent to the argument.

[Guest wrx365]

Does it seem we are agreeing that FPV are not underestimating the power of the phoon and it is indeed 270KW and not closer to 300KW as some of you are suggesting.

torbo6man, agree about your comment on power calcs. How do you see this applying to the F6 where max torque is from 2000-4500rpm. In theory max power should over 4500rpm. Would be interesting to see dyno chart.

[F6_Tornado]

  wrx365 said:

Does it seem we are agreeing that FPV are not underestimating the power of the phoon and it is indeed 270KW and not closer to 300KW as some of you are suggesting.

torbo6man, agree about your comment on power calcs. How do you see this applying to the F6 where max torque is from 2000-4500rpm. In theory max power should over 4500rpm. Would be interesting to see dyno chart.

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Not sure anyone suggested it had any more than 270kw?????????????

The way I read it is most are saying it’s got excellent low down usable grunt and it uses it to its advantage.

Torque Torque Torque Torque & then some more low down torque and did I mention the Torque ?

Tell ya what to do Get both graphs (GT & F6) and “overlay” them and you will spin out with when you see the actual difference.

[Geeseman]

  F6_Tornado said:

Does it seem we are agreeing that FPV are

Tell ya what to do Get both graphs (GT & F6) and “overlay” them and you will spin out with when you see the actual difference.

The fellow I spoke to still said the Phoon suffered from quite a bit of lag and needed 3000rpm on the clock to hammer. I suspect that the GT would have superior torque to this point which is why it gets to 100ks quicker than the Phoon, and likewise than the T. You might get better results for the T 's torque off dynos but that's because they are recorded from rolling starts. Off the mark the car really doesn't hammer until 3000rpm

[Guest wrx365]

  F6_Tornado said:

  wrx365 said:

Does it seem we are agreeing that FPV are not underestimating the power of the phoon and it is indeed 270KW and not closer to 300KW as some of you are suggesting.

torbo6man, agree about your comment on power calcs. How do you see this applying to the F6 where max torque is from 2000-4500rpm. In theory max power should over 4500rpm. Would be interesting to see dyno chart.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Not sure anyone suggested it had any more than 270kw?????????????

The way I read it is most are saying it’s got excellent low down usable grunt and it uses it to its advantage.

Torque Torque Torque Torque & then some more low down torque and did I mention the Torque ?

Tell ya what to do Get both graphs (GT & F6) and “overlay” them and you will spin out with when you see the actual difference.

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Totally agree with what you are saying about torque. When looking at the graphs its important to compare the total area covered under each chart, representing the amount of work being done by each engine. What you really want to do is maximise this area even at the expense of max power for everyday driving.

Too much torque low down without too many revs is no good either, just look at trucks. There is usually a trade off. However in everyday driving mid range torque is the most important, whilst for outright drag racing what you really want is top end power with gearing to suit.

BTW look at the first two posts to see where I got my impressions about people saying the F6 had more than 270KW...

Edited 06/12/04 09:22 AM by wrx365

[Dr Z]

Listening to a few people here and there, it seems they have the impression that the 270kW maximum power figure for the F6 is understated like the GTR's in Japan, though it appears at best this is just wishful thinking. In reality, the F6 COULD have easily been setup for a higher maximum power figure, but wasn't.

Why?

Despite what Ford/FPV publicly claim, the F6 with an even higher maximum power figure, would likely have increased the cannibalisation of their rapidly declining V8 market share, in much the same way that the XR6T cannibalised market share from the XR8.

Safe and happy driving...Dr Z.