Capa "black Oak Edit"

[NighEve]

I'd love to get into line - but where the hell is this line anyway? Who are the state dealers? I mean I might not have picked that up on another thread, but as far as I can see there is no mention of who will be offering the product and who is trained and ready to perform the tune?

If I am blind, please let me know because I want this thing so badly (especially since Ford themselves since they can't seem to tune my car better than clapped out atmo crossflow performance levels).

Specifically - is there a state by state list (I'm looking for QLD myself)?

I don't mind being a guinea pig with this since it couldn't be worse then what I have at the moment.... f*ck the god for nothing warranty; just tell me where to sign up...

[xrturb]

thanks martin this is this input we need so we can understand

[jetute]

  Eugene said:

  fordboy1981 said:

  xrturb said:

if you lose your tune you just have to reflash it

exactly! they supply you with the unit so you can reflash the pcm yourself!

besides, you shouldn't need bigger injectors with an edit. According to nick you can get up to 330rwkws from the standard injectors, so unless you want serious power, there shouldn't be a problem...

Dave.

And you plan on carrying the unit around with you, so the moment you drive out of the dealership you can flash it?

Where has nick (I take it you mean dynowog) said that std injectors are goodfor 330rwkw?

It goes against info put up by street tuner in other threads relating to the Edit, injectors are still a limit, along with other things. and I dont think it will be 330rwkw either, but I am happy to be proven wrong by Nick or Street tuner.

that's where you are wrong.... if the dealer flashes over your setting... that setting is gone.... ie, it is no longer in your flasher... hence you cant just just flash it back in..... so drive your car, running like a dog, to your tuner... they can flash it!!

this is the way I understand it

[Eugene]

  jetute said:

  Eugene said:

  fordboy1981 said:

  xrturb said:

if you lose your tune you just have to reflash it

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

exactly! they supply you with the unit so you can reflash the pcm yourself!

besides, you shouldn't need bigger injectors with an edit. According to nick you can get up to 330rwkws from the standard injectors, so unless you want serious power, there shouldn't be a problem...

Dave.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And you plan on carrying the unit around with you, so the moment you drive out of the dealership you can flash it?

Where has nick (I take it you mean dynowog) said that std injectors are goodfor 330rwkw?

It goes against info put up by street tuner in other threads relating to the Edit, injectors are still a limit, along with other things. and I dont think it will be 330rwkw either, but I am happy to be proven wrong by Nick or Street tuner.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

that's where you are wrong.... if the dealer flashes over your setting... that setting is gone.... ie, it is no longer in your flasher... hence you cant just just flash it back in..... so drive your car, running like a dog, to your tuner... they can flash it!!

this is the way I understand it

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

that's the way I understand it too, if you put your standard tune in before the service, then flash after the service, maybe that could work, or here is an Idea, dont take your car to ford for a service, use and indapendant, he cant flash your car and doesnt care if it modded either, still under warranty too.

[profrat]

Ok. I have a standard Manual Turbo that sometimes suffers overboost cut out, (always at a most inconvenient time.) :(

I can't believe no one else has asked this question:

What will the standard tunes do for me?

Specifically, what parameters are changed? What is the difference between the 3 stock 'tunes' that come with it?

How much increase in boost will they set?

I am interested in a big increase in midrange torque more than outright Kilowatts, and an end to overboost/limp mode problems. Of course, I still want to keep the parts that smooth out the driveline shunt and keep it all civilized. I will not be modifying any harware for at least another year. (But would consider valve springs if necessary)

Now that the thing is ready for sale, surely the answers are available.

[Venom XR6]

  jetute said:

  Eugene said:

  fordboy1981 said:

  xrturb said:

if you lose your tune you just have to reflash it

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

exactly! they supply you with the unit so you can reflash the pcm yourself!

besides, you shouldn't need bigger injectors with an edit. According to nick you can get up to 330rwkws from the standard injectors, so unless you want serious power, there shouldn't be a problem...

Dave.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And you plan on carrying the unit around with you, so the moment you drive out of the dealership you can flash it?

Where has nick (I take it you mean dynowog) said that std injectors are goodfor 330rwkw?

It goes against info put up by street tuner in other threads relating to the Edit, injectors are still a limit, along with other things. and I dont think it will be 330rwkw either, but I am happy to be proven wrong by Nick or Street tuner.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

that's where you are wrong.... if the dealer flashes over your setting... that setting is gone.... ie, it is no longer in your flasher... hence you cant just just flash it back in..... so drive your car, running like a dog, to your tuner... they can flash it!!

this is the way I understand it

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The tune is not lost, it stays stored on the flasher. Just because you have flahed the tune into the ECU doesn't mean it has disappeared from the flasher. Read Steet Tunas post again.

[jetute]

  Venom XR6 said:

  jetute said:

  Eugene said:

  fordboy1981 said:

  xrturb said:

if you lose your tune you just have to reflash it

exactly! they supply you with the unit so you can reflash the pcm yourself!

besides, you shouldn't need bigger injectors with an edit. According to nick you can get up to 330rwkws from the standard injectors, so unless you want serious power, there shouldn't be a problem...

Dave.

And you plan on carrying the unit around with you, so the moment you drive out of the dealership you can flash it?

Where has nick (I take it you mean dynowog) said that std injectors are goodfor 330rwkw?

It goes against info put up by street tuner in other threads relating to the Edit, injectors are still a limit, along with other things. and I dont think it will be 330rwkw either, but I am happy to be proven wrong by Nick or Street tuner.

that's where you are wrong.... if the dealer flashes over your setting... that setting is gone.... ie, it is no longer in your flasher... hence you cant just just flash it back in..... so drive your car, running like a dog, to your tuner... they can flash it!!

this is the way I understand it

The tune is not lost, it stays stored on the flasher. Just because you have flahed the tune into the ECU doesn't mean it has disappeared from the flasher. Read Steet Tunas post again.

I hope so.... but is that definately the case even with a custom tune, say, if your car is modified?

[Street Tuner]

  profrat said:

Ok. I have a standard Manual Turbo that sometimes suffers overboost cut out, (always at a most inconvenient time.) :( I can't believe no one else has asked this question: What will the standard tunes do for me? Specifically, what parameters are changed? What is the difference between the 3 stock 'tunes' that come with it?

How much increase in boost will they set?

The programs that we have been working on so far are two for outright performance, and one special feature program. Let me explain....

PROGRAM 1: The first performance program raises boost pressure to a consistent 8psi. It also changes the variable camshaft timing to maximise torque production at low rpm. Fuel mixtures are left deliberately on the rich side of best power, and the ignition timing setting is conservative. Rev limits, trans shift rpm etc is left stock. Trans shift pressure and torque reduction is set to maintain reliable component operation under high duress conditions. Overboost cut strategy will only ever trigger if something is genuinely wrong. If you want to drive flat out all day in the NT, then this program is for you.

PROGRAM 2: The second performance program pushes the fuel system to the limit of the factory injectors, commanding over 10psi of boost pressure low in the rpm and then tapering off to 9psi towards the rev limiter....which itself is raised 150rpm, and changed from hard cut to soft cut. Camshaft, fuel, and ignition timing strategies are more aggressive, auto shift is markedly firmer, overboost cut is set well out the way, and the shift points are higher. Its a quarter mile program, and designed to generate the best acceleration times from your car without compromising reliability.

PROGRAM 3: Special feature programming is unique to each customer, and can incorporate a proper valet mode function with a 40km/h speed/rev limiter, and complete protection for your vehicle. Another could be a super-low boost mode for when the kids have a drive. Use your imagination here!

Just a sample of what we have been doing so far...and I hope it answers your questions.

[fordboy1981]

  Eugene said:

  fordboy1981 said:

  xrturb said:

if you lose your tune you just have to reflash it

exactly! they supply you with the unit so you can reflash the pcm yourself!

besides, you shouldn't need bigger injectors with an edit. According to nick you can get up to 330rwkws from the standard injectors, so unless you want serious power, there shouldn't be a problem...

Dave.

And you plan on carrying the unit around with you, so the moment you drive out of the dealership you can flash it?

Where has nick (I take it you mean dynowog) said that std injectors are goodfor 330rwkw?

It goes against info put up by street tuner in other threads relating to the Edit, injectors are still a limit, along with other things. and I dont think it will be 330rwkw either, but I am happy to be proven wrong by Nick or Street tuner.

he's said it at least one hundred times in the thread about Pretzel's BA with the EMS which he fitted. he has fitted an EMS, CAI and a bigger intercooler to that car and NOTHING ELSE, do you understand that, NOTHING, NARDA, ZIP...S-T-O-C-K injectors; this car has made 337rwkws.

Dave.

Edited 23/11/04 10:14 AM by fordboy1981

[fordboy1981]

  Street Tuner said:

  profrat said:

Ok. I have a standard Manual Turbo that sometimes suffers overboost cut out, (always at a most inconvenient time.) :( I can't believe no one else has asked this question: What will the standard tunes do for me? Specifically, what parameters are changed? What is the difference between the 3 stock 'tunes' that come with it?

How much increase in boost will they set?

The programs that we have been working on so far are two for outright performance, and one special feature program. Let me explain....

PROGRAM 1: The first performance program raises boost pressure to a consistent 8psi. It also changes the variable camshaft timing to maximise torque production at low rpm. Fuel mixtures are left deliberately on the rich side of best power, and the ignition timing setting is conservative. Rev limits, trans shift rpm etc is left stock. Trans shift pressure and torque reduction is set to maintain reliable component operation under high duress conditions. Overboost cut strategy will only ever trigger if something is genuinely wrong. If you want to drive flat out all day in the NT, then this program is for you.

PROGRAM 2: The second performance program pushes the fuel system to the limit of the factory injectors, commanding over 10psi of boost pressure low in the rpm and then tapering off to 9psi towards the rev limiter....which itself is raised 150rpm, and changed from hard cut to soft cut. Camshaft, fuel, and ignition timing strategies are more aggressive, auto shift is markedly firmer, overboost cut is set well out the way, and the shift points are higher. Its a quarter mile program, and designed to generate the best acceleration times from your car without compromising reliability.

PROGRAM 3: Special feature programming is unique to each customer, and can incorporate a proper valet mode function with a 40km/h speed/rev limiter, and complete protection for your vehicle. Another could be a super-low boost mode for when the kids have a drive. Use your imagination here!

Just a sample of what we have been doing so far...and I hope it answers your questions.

MADNESS!!! where the feck do I sign?!

what if we don't need the 3rd program??

Dave.